Pour The Wine, It's Rom-Com Time

Hallmark's Providence Falls - An Impossible Promise

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In this episode of Pour The Wine, It’s Rom-Com Time, Garry and Amy unpack the twists and turns of Providence Falls: The Impossible Promise. Cora is torn between two very different men: her mysterious partner Liam, and the steady, undeniable pull she feels toward DA Finn. Meanwhile, Liam faces his own dilemma: should he follow his heart and risk altering Cora’s destiny or step aside to ensure she ends up with Finn and fulfills what fate has planned? It’s a battle between passion and purpose. Can we really change our fate or are we simply bound to repeat our past mistakes?

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Amy:

Welcome to Pour the Wine. It's rom-com time where we'll sip some wine and review all things. Rom-com on the Homework Channel. I'm Amy.

Garry:

And I'm Gary and I'm a-pouring.

Amy:

Oh, we're in a singing mood tonight. Is that what we're doing, okay.

Garry:

I just thought I'd make you laugh.

Amy:

Okay, well, all I care about is pouring the wine, so yes, no just kidding. Today we're going to be reviewing the Impossible Promise, the second movie in the three-part Providence Falls series. It aired on the Hallmark Channel on Saturday, august 9th 2025, and is streaming now on Hallmark Plus.

Garry:

And we would love it if you would click that follow button on your favorite podcast platform so you don't miss an episode. Yes, if you listen on Apple or Spotify, you can also leave us a review, and hopefully it's a positive review.

Amy:

Hopefully.

Garry:

You can also find us on YouTube and all social media.

Amy:

All the socials. You know what I would love.

Garry:

What would you love?

Amy:

If you'd pass me my glass of wine.

Garry:

Yes, ma'am, thanks, there you go.

Amy:

You're hogging it to yourself. Are you going to double fist it tonight with the wine?

Garry:

It's called Pass the Wine. It's rom-com time.

Amy:

Oh boy, okay, we're here all night. That's pretty good. We, that's pretty good. We're drinking a cab tonight.

Garry:

Ooh, mm-hmm.

Amy:

Be sure to send us an email at pourthewineitsromcomtime at gmailcom and let us know your thoughts about Providence Falls or anything homework-y.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Anything homework-y. Anything homework-y.

Garry:

So who's in this one?

Amy:

All right, who's in this one? All right, so we talked a lot about the main actors and actresses right before, at the beginning of our last podcast, right of the first episode, so we're not going to repeat the people who were in that episode, who are also in episode number two, the Impossible Promise.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

But we had a few more characters pop up in this one right. Yeah, so, and I think one was in the last one for a little bit, but we didn't talk about him, so wait a minute. Did you just say Pop-Tart?

Garry:

I sure did Now. We love Pop-Tarts, but not right now Blueberry Pop-Tart.

Amy:

What is going on with end tonight? I don't know. All right, folio cesare plays detective leo. He is a friend of cora's dad and who apparently knows cora really well. Yes, the character he's been in several homework productions, including chronicle mysteries, recovered um an emma fielding mystery. He was in the movie sight unseen. He was in an emma fielding mystery, flower shop mystery, mom's the word and love at the thanksgiving day parade. Okay, a few of his nearly 200 acting credits 200 and I only lost like four, for now we'd be here all night.

Amy:

Include an episode of Alert Missing Persons Unit, an episode of Blue Bloods, four episodes of the series Rogue. He was in the Flash for three episodes.

Garry:

Okay.

Amy:

And the X-Files two episodes. Oh boy, All right. Niall Matter plays Bail and Bail is on the other side. Plays for the other side, the dark side, he plays for the other team. He has done just a ton of Hallmark work. He's been in several Aurora Tea Garden mysteries. He was in Christmas Under the Lights this Time Each Year, holiday Hotline, the Santa Summit and, one of our faves Never Kiss a man in a Christmas Sweater.

Garry:

Yes, that's a really cute one.

Amy:

That was a cute one, a few of his other acting gigs include an episode of Sight Unseen, an episode of Take Two, an episode of the Good Doctor and 49 episodes of Eureka.

Garry:

Okay.

Amy:

Yeah, Samir Salem plays Magnus Now. Do you know what he is in?

Garry:

No, I do not. He looks familiar, but I don't know what he's in.

Amy:

Well for Hallmark. We've seen him in the Chicken Sisters. He plays Jay May's fiance. Oh my gosh, hey, that rhymes, he plays Jay.

Garry:

May's fiance. That is him. Yes, that is him.

Amy:

So he's been in eight episodes so far. Season two just started. I don't think he was in episode one of season two was he? Did we see him?

Garry:

I think he was in, yeah.

Amy:

He was Okay, all right, so he's, I'm assuming, going to be in it this season. We just started season two. Some of his other work includes nine episodes of Allegiance, the Holiday Exchange, an episode of Yellow Jackets, the holiday exchange an episode of yellow jackets yeah, that's a good one and 13 episodes of the expanse. Darcy laurie plays eli. Now. Eli is a man who has known finn since he was young and he knew finn's dad right and maybe he has some not so above board business dealings maybe talk about.

Amy:

His hallmark work includes a novel no Noel picture-perfect mysteries and morning show mysteries. He's done a ton, a ton of work. He was in an episode of Fire Country, seven episodes of Virgin River, an episode of Riverdale.

Garry:

Okay.

Amy:

Fifteen episodes of the TV series 19-2. He was in the movies Pirates of the Caribbean, dead Men Tell no Tales and he was in Final Destination 2. Oh wow, he's got, creds man so those are our additional characters for this second episode.

Garry:

That's awesome. Well, the Impossible Promise was directed by Siobhan Devine and Lucy Guess. We did discuss Lucy Guess, the lead director, and her work during our review of episode one.

Amy:

We sure did huh.

Garry:

So if you'd like to learn more about Lucy, go check out the beginning of our Chance of a Lifetime podcast. Podcast Now. Siobhan Devine for Hallmark she directed 10 episodes of One Calls a Heart, six episodes of Chesapeake Shores. Matching Hearts, Always and Forever. Christmas and Christmas Pen Pals, which starred Niall Madder who is Belle in this particular episode.

Amy:

Uh-huh, all right.

Garry:

So we got some friends going on here.

Amy:

We got some friends, all right, so we got some friends going on here.

Garry:

We got some friends, Some of her other directing credits include two episodes of Family Law, two episodes of Virgin River and ten episodes of I Am Frankie.

Amy:

There you go, very cool.

Garry:

Three Providence Falls books were written by Jude DeVoe DeVoe.

Amy:

DeVoe yeah.

Garry:

And Tara Sheets Tara, there youoe, yeah, and Tara Sheets.

Amy:

Tara. There you are Tara. Maybe it is Tara, I don't know. It's Tara, tara.

Garry:

I'm sorry. Tomatoes, tomatoes. What to look up?

Amy:

Well, she probably likes her name pronounced a certain way, I know, so we need to look it up.

Garry:

I'm sorry, I apologize.

Amy:

Tomato, tomato the next podcast.

Garry:

Yes, all three episodes were written by Teresa Kale. She has eight writing credits, including 24 episodes of Trollstopia, 28 episodes of Girl Meets World.

Amy:

Right, and we did discuss that also in the last episode and we did discuss it.

Garry:

Yes, you're right, yep.

Amy:

But we like to repeat it because they're writers.

Garry:

So is it time to drop the synopsis.

Amy:

It is time to drop the synopsis.

Garry:

All right.

Amy:

Detectives Cora and Liam must solve a murder. Meanwhile, despite Liam's hidden love for Cora, he pushes her toward DA Finn Walsh, her fated match, in order to change their destinies Dun dun dun.

Garry:

Well, we'll probably give away some spoilers. Well, we'll probably give away some spoilers. So if you have not watched this episode yet, press pause. Go watch it at your leisurely time.

Amy:

Come back, listen to our podcast and tell us what you think.

Garry:

Word Right, yes, all right. So talking about, tell us what you think, what did you think that was my first take.

Amy:

Yes, all right.

Garry:

So you know talking about tell us what you think. What did you think? What did you think that?

Amy:

was my first take. Yes, there was a lot of present day in this one.

Garry:

Yes, there was.

Amy:

A lot of present day. When I take my notes, I divide it up between you know, like present day, 1844, and angels, that's what I call the different times it's not really time jumping? It's not really time jumping, it's just three different times, Right right, or three different periods. I guess. Two time periods and celestial stuff, you know.

Garry:

Yep.

Amy:

And there was a lot of present day stuff. I really liked this particular episode as well. I mean, there was so much going on once again and we talked about this last time also there's just there's so many layers. There are different things going on.

Garry:

Yep.

Amy:

Different. You know you've got the crimes that they're trying to solve. You have a bit of a love triangle between Liam and Cora and Finn right, you have Suzette thrown in there, they've thrown in Bale. You know, suzette the friend.

Garry:

Yeah.

Amy:

Who's in there sporadically? You have Bale. You're not sure who's involved with what. Who's nefarious, yet who's really on the up and up?

Amy:

You're still trying to figure out the characters, and then you do have you know, even though it was heavy, on present day we did have still some 1844 scenes. We have the angels in both their celestial world and in present day. There was like a crossover there. So there was a lot going on in this episode, not to mention, you know, like I said, the love triangle, but the love stories going on the fate, the destiny. So it's really intricate storytelling and I love it. I'm here for it.

Garry:

So what about you? What's your?

Amy:

first take of this particular episode.

Garry:

Oh, my goodness, I just love the biblical references. The biblical references, yes, that they have going on, oh, okay, and we kind of get a sneak peek of one of them, gabriel.

Amy:

Oh, gabriel, and we kind of get a sneak peek of one of them, gabriel, oh, gabriel, yeah, with his little nameplate on the door. Yeah, with his little nameplate on the door. That was funny.

Garry:

And you know, we have a love triangle.

Amy:

Yes.

Garry:

Somewhat of a love triangle.

Amy:

Yeah.

Garry:

Uh-huh, and I too like the back and forth between 1844 and the present. Present Because I like present how they like, how they.

Amy:

I almost thought you said prison, prison.

Garry:

It's been a day yeah.

Amy:

It's been a long day.

Garry:

I just feel like it's a good mixture. You know one's not out doing the other and yeah, I just loved it.

Amy:

Right, right. And when you're in the present day, you don't. It's not that you forget about the other, you know things, time periods, it's just. And then when they bring them back in, you're like oh yeah, you know, because the story flows so well.

Garry:

Yes, it does.

Amy:

From the beginning to the end, through all the characters and you're trying to keep track of what's going on and who's who. And they're talking about Meredith and John a lot and they're we don't see them at all in this episode. Well, I guess we see Meredith a little bit. A little bit but they're talked about a lot. We're still talking about the robbery. We're still talking about what the larcenies and you know, the home invasions.

Amy:

So there's just a lot going on and, like I said, then you have Cora, who's trying to live up to her dad's expectations, and yeah, so there's just there's a whole bunch going on, yep.

Garry:

So you want to talk about favorite scenes.

Amy:

Sure All right. You want to start with talk about? I know there weren't that many like 1844. Mm-hmm, so what would you-?

Garry:

What was?

Amy:

my favorite scene there yeah.

Garry:

I think it was the opening one, where Finn comes to see Cra at her castle and he asks for her hand in marriage. Yes, and she's kind of like no, can you give me a day? Can I think about it? I just got to think about it for a minute. She wants to think about it.

Amy:

Well, as a man with that crush, would you be like okay.

Garry:

Yes, it would crush me, but Finn's so nice.

Amy:

He's like, yeah, I had that too, it was like a favorite scene so far he's nice, it's like. I've come to ask for your hand in marriage.

Garry:

Yeah, but then he ends up leaving, right. And then in through the window comes Liam.

Amy:

Comes Liam. Yeah, it's funny. I mean it's kind of appropriate for their characters. Finn comes in through the front door.

Garry:

He's a proper guy. Yes.

Amy:

You know a guy with manners and Liam crawls in through the window. Now, he's probably not welcome through the front door, but you know Probably not. Yeah, I have that too as a scene. I thought that's, and then they talk about going to America.

Garry:

Yeah and I, and so that was one of my favorite scenes. What about you?

Amy:

And I like when he says meet me on the morrow Because we joke around about you know, like I was like meet me on the morrow. I just say that.

Garry:

Yes, that is so cool.

Amy:

We're going to meet on the morrow, you know, yeah, so I just like it. And why is it every time we watch it? I want to slip into an Irish accent. I don't know big bucks in acting.

Garry:

I don't know I can take a dialect. I know I can never do it like that.

Amy:

Anyway, when we watch it, it just makes you want to just practice an Irish accent.

Garry:

It makes you want to do it, because every time I try one, you're like what in the world was that?

Amy:

Yeah, but you have Scottish, I know. I'm from here and I can't even do an accent, so I'm not even gonna try well, you grew up here, so it's not like you know.

Garry:

Yeah, yeah but you can fall into the scottish accent pretty well so yes yes, better than my irish but I do understand them better than you do you, one thousand percent, can understand those heavy accents better than me for the Scottish.

Amy:

I'll be like can you tell me what they just said?

Garry:

With your family members Very, very good at when they got together. It was heavy.

Amy:

Yes, yes, I needed you as an interpreter, that's for sure.

Garry:

Alright, so that was.

Amy:

Did you have any other 1844?

Garry:

No, not really, because there really weren't that many yeah yeah, but one of the ones in, well, the angel time. I'm going to say that.

Amy:

I know we call it angels.

Garry:

Yeah, we'll call it angels. Yes, when Agon was filing the souls going to heaven and the other place, so he was standing at the file cabinets and he was going. He was like going to heaven, Going to the other place.

Amy:

He's so good. He's so good in that role.

Garry:

I really enjoyed that little scene right there. I thought that was so funny that was pretty funny.

Amy:

Yeah, I totally forgot. Thought that was so funny. That was pretty funny.

Garry:

Yeah, I totally forgot about that scene actually, but that was funny Going to the other place and you know, as far as the angels I had.

Amy:

You know, agon, when he's tearing up so he puts in the VHS tape right and it's titled Liam and Cora, 19th century. Yes, and he puts it in and he's watching it, and that's what we just talked about the Finn going to Cora's house.

Garry:

That's the scene that we see Right Right During that Right.

Amy:

And then when they come back to him, he's like tearing up.

Garry:

Yes, I know, because he just loves it.

Amy:

He's really like invested, you know, which I just love, so it's like he's team liam, I'm telling you right, I think he's right. And then, as far as the angels, I mean, this is not really a scene, but it's really. I like how they incorporated magnus into all of it and you think he's working for the other side right right, and then um salim and agon, finally find magnus's file and salim says thank, thank the matter. He's not working for either side.

Garry:

I know he's still a bad guy. He's a bad guy, but he's not working.

Amy:

So I kind of like that. They incorporated that and they found him, because I thought he was going to be on the other side.

Garry:

So did I. He was a perfect decoy.

Amy:

I liked when they were like, because they Right Like practically the whole time. They're like oh, we found the file finally. Yeah, you know, so I I liked that.

Garry:

Yeah, that was. That was a good scene, yeah.

Amy:

Yep, all right. So now we go into present day, and I have a few yes, so do I Do you.

Garry:

Ok, all right, what's one of?

Amy:

yours or the first one?

Garry:

It was the scene when they were at the police station, liam and Cora, I believe, okay, and they were talking about putting eyes on the properties of I can't remember their name, offhand Brady, I think it is oh, on his properties, right On his properties, because that was part of his business, because they were looking to see if they'll turn the lights on, and then that's when they would figure that's where meredith is right.

Garry:

And then liam um, I think you were talking about. I think that's when leo comes in and he gives them an invitation. Yes, and he, uh, he gives it to cora and tells her to come, and then liam takes one leo, leo is the, he's, the he's the detective that's retiring, who is. Cora's dad's friend.

Amy:

Right. So he gives her an invitation to the retirement Right, right, right.

Garry:

So Cora and Liam are talking and Liam he goes. I think I'm going to invite Finn. No, he says tinks, I tinks, I tinks, I'm going to invite Finn. No, he says tinks, I tinks, I tinks, I'm going to invite Finn. And she says oh, are you guys friends now? And Liam was like maybe, maybe no.

Amy:

You're right, and he goes. No, no, no, he says, could be, could be.

Garry:

Oh is it, could be, could be he goes could be.

Amy:

Could be, but also no.

Garry:

Yes, oh, I love that scene. That was good.

Amy:

I had that down too. I thought that that was so cute because he's like could be, could be, but also no.

Garry:

But also no, it's really fun.

Amy:

His character is so great too. I mean, they're all that's the thing about this series too, and we haven't really touched on this too much. Is they're all so good? I mean, they made the perfect choices for the actors and actresses in this.

Garry:

I agree.

Amy:

They're all so good in the roles that they have and they all. Just the chemistry between everybody and obviously the chemistry between Liam and Cora and even Finn and Cora, I mean there's a lot of chemistry going on right, so yeah.

Garry:

Really, really well done, cassie. So what about you in the present Dawn?

Amy:

Well, that was fun okay for present day. Um, I just talked about it. Uh, a little bit about magnus showing up I appreciated like a new character, like that right, um and uh, you know, finn, during the scene that magnus shows up, it's in the bar right and he's talking to Korra.

Amy:

And then Finn goes up, I think to them, and it's just the way Finn walks up, he starts talking to Magnus, got his hand in his pocket. He's just cool and relaxed and that's kind of what we were just talking about. I'm loving Evan Roderick as Finn. He's just natural, right. His flow is so natural and great, so I loved him in that scene.

Garry:

Yeah.

Amy:

Just how cool and calm he was and collected, and he really doesn't like Magnus, but he's being nice in that moment so I liked that scene.

Garry:

Yeah, it's really going to make me upset if he's playing for the other side.

Amy:

Yes, we don't know for sure, because he's such a good guy. Yes, yes.

Garry:

And that's another one of my favorites.

Amy:

We hope it stays.

Garry:

It is when you know Liam is trying to push Cora to him and he's like here you go, finn, I'm going to step aside Right. And then he's, he's like well, you know, I really appreciate it. And then later on in the in the movie it switches.

Amy:

What do you mean? Because? He's like if there's ever a guy I wanted to be with it would be you, yeah, when they like kind of reverse roles, right yeah, finn and Liam.

Garry:

Yeah, right, right, right, I thought that was very good. Yeah, that is really good, it's a good yeah.

Amy:

The scene where Suzette finds out that Liam is an angel.

Garry:

Oh my goodness, I have that one too. When she sees.

Amy:

Aegon disappear and she's like what she drops her phone. She drops her phone she drops her phone, and it reminded me of the scene in it's a Wonderful Life.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

When Jimmy Stewart is talking to the angel and he's talking to Clarence and Clarence is saying all these wacky off the wall, things that gives away that he's not from present day and I don't know. I just I really like that and she and Suzette says something like that.

Amy:

She's chronically open minded, she believes in alien abductions, Bigfoot and Liam's like yeah, I don't get those references you know, because he he's from a different time and he has no idea what he's talking about, but she sees them and then Liam is just really open about what's going on right in that moment. You know, and you don't often find that in a movie, usually and I know this is written and it's from the book, and you know, I don't know how closely that is to the book, but you know, usually it's like oh no, you didn't see anything, what?

Amy:

You know you try to play it off or explain it differently and you know. But I'm glad he, just in the moment he's like, yeah, we're angels, okay, what else you got, you know?

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

And then he explains to her the situation and what he's trying to do. So Right, that was a favorite scene.

Garry:

Yeah, that was one of mine too, yeah.

Amy:

Oh cool, we're seamers.

Garry:

Yeah, I liked. Another one of mine was when Liam was at home by himself and Hagan shows up and he asked why are you alone? And he's like I'm trying to get a hold of Cora but she's not answering. But then he gets a text message from Suzette that Cora is with Magnus. And then Liam says something like you know, oh my God, he's a bad dude. And then Aegon says it's not like she hasn't picked a bad boy before.

Amy:

Oh, I missed that.

Garry:

Yeah, Aegon says that in that scene and that's before Cora comes home with Magnus, Okay in that scene?

Amy:

Yeah, I missed that.

Garry:

When he said that he's like it's not like she hasn't picked a bad boy before, and then he's like ooh, I made a joke, right.

Amy:

Yeah, yeah, Was that when he said ooh, I made a sarcastic joke.

Garry:

I used sarcasm or something.

Amy:

Yeah, I liked when they're, of course, at the police station and you know, liam and Cora are at the police station and he apologized for letting things get so weird, because we didn't even talk about that. Where they left off at the end of the first movie, right right, where Cora has decided she's chosen Liam and we don't know what happens, and then it starts off at the police station the next day and it's awkward because, Liam has obviously told her you know, we can't.

Garry:

Yeah, we can't do anything, I'm sorry, but I'm not ready. And he's still getting zapped. So, yeah, yeah, too keen.

Amy:

So he Well, yeah, they're at the police station and Liam says you know, I'm sorry for letting things get so weird, and she's you know, it's like that's sort of your specialty, because things are weird around him.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

And then he's like I'd hate to lose us, you know because I think she says the same thing like I'd hate to lose us too. And then they shake hands and he doesn't get zapped, and he's so excited and he picks her up. So that was kind of a cool, just a cool scene, a cool moment. He almost twirls her around, but I don't think he goes quite around in a circle, but I really liked that because he's like, oh my gosh, he's just so excited and he just picks her up. And they have that moment where they look at each other and yeah, so yeah, that was a good one too.

Garry:

Yeah yeah, yeah. Another one of mine is when Liam I think it was right after that scene where he picked her up he goes can you teach me how to drive? And so she's teaching him how to drive.

Amy:

I do, I think it was. I think you're right.

Garry:

I do remember that she thinks he's from Ireland and the reason he doesn't drive because Americans drive on the wrong side of the road.

Amy:

But that's not true. He's only 18, 14. He's used to horses and buggies right.

Garry:

But he puts the key in and she says now that pedal right there, put your foot on it. And he puts his foot on it and he takes off.

Amy:

And he's like, okay, I'm done, I'm getting out of here. He's basically like that's enough of that, right, right, like it at all no he does not, and then they kind of have this moment.

Garry:

And then that's when cora looks over and sees meredith getting in a car right, but she they're kind of messing around.

Amy:

She's trying to grab the keys from her and give them back, or whatever she's like no, you put your seatbelt back on you're still gonna drive and they're kind of, and they have that moment where they look at each other, you know. So, yeah, we'll talk about that a little bit more, all right A little bit later I have that in a chair. Oh sure, Cora, I like when she checks out the evidence from the jewelry store heist. Yes, because she's having a moment of where she's kind of doubting herself and she doesn't know what's up or down anymore and she's trying to figure it out.

Amy:

And she finds a necklace. And Liam has come in there and she finds the necklace and she says she feels like it's connected to both of them to her and to him, and he puts it on her, and this is another very-.

Amy:

Intense moment, very intense chemistry moment, right where he puts it on her and then she's like just just take it off, you know. So then he, she takes it off. But that's also when he gives her like a pep talk right because she's ready to, you know, not quit, but she's like I'm never gonna solve this case and he really gives her a good yes a good, friendly pep talk in that moment right so I liked that yeah that was a good scene too yeah, they got a lot of good scenes.

Garry:

I just can't talk about them all, I know I know here all night yeah yes, you have any more um, no, I think I'm to leave it there. Okay, what about you? I have a couple more.

Amy:

So when Finn takes Cora to where he grew up so she can get an idea of where he grew up and he talks about Eli.

Garry:

That was a good scene.

Amy:

Even though Eli is a bad guy now. When Finn was growing up after his dad died, eli really took him under his wing, paid for his college, paid for law school. Never brought the nefarious stuff around him.

Garry:

Right. Kept him away from it. Kept him away from it.

Amy:

So you kind of get a sense. And again you know it's like are you being lulled into a sense of security with Finn? Or you know, and he says you know the way he saw his parents. They really loved each other. They may not have had a lot, but you know they lived here and this is what they had and his parents were so in love and he never thought he could have that until he found Cora Right. And then she says she's been thinking about that with him too. So she's still torn. We don't know what's going on and I just appreciated that we got more of a look into Finn's life.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Than we had previously.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

So we kind of know, you know, you kind of know he's a good guy, but you're not really sure his background or anything or what he's got going on and you're kind of doubting it throughout. So I like that scene. I also like the scene you know then you have towards the end, where Cora ends up in the water.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

Right, she's hit on the head and she ends up in the water and they showed the shot of her falling in present day. And then they show the 1844 falling.

Garry:

Yes, that was a good scene too.

Amy:

I just like that scene the shot of it, the way they incorporated the 1844 into that scene, and then, of course, finn jumping into the water and saving her.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

You know, and he says he thought he lost her again, and then brings her up on shore and then they kiss she wakes up, and they just have this kiss yes, right. And Finn sees it yeah, right. Because Finn had gone after Magnus and tackled him and was trying to wrestle him Right At that moment, right, right.

Garry:

When he looks up and sees him and you could just see his heart was just ripped right out of his chest, yep, and you could just see his heart was just ripped right out of his chest.

Amy:

Yep his face. In that moment you could just see it all on his face. That was a perfectly shot scene and that comes into play later.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

Like you said, when he talks to Liam, when Finn talks to Liam, back at the hospital. Back at the hospital. But yeah, in that scene and you know, I heard the podcaster's Hallmark Mysteries and more Good podcast. Go listen to it.

Amy:

They interviewed Evan Roderick and I was listening to it the other day, evan Roderick, who plays Finn, and he was saying, because they were talking about the water and how cold it was, because you know, you don't just shoot it once, you shoot it many, many, many, many times and Evan was basically, like you know, I didn't have to get in the water, but he was terribly sick.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

He was so sick that day and I think he ended up saying something like it you know he had the flu or something, right? And I mean you wouldn't know that looking at it, but like he's like, that was his look, like he just wanted to get. He was there, he was trying to get the shot done you know, because he was so sick he had a job to do, but I thought that that was interesting.

Garry:

What do you always tell me? Sometimes you just gotta suck it up, but it'll cook.

Amy:

I know that would be so hard though.

Garry:

It would be.

Amy:

Oh my gosh, yeah, so all right. So moving on to cheers and cheers. What are some of your biggest cheers? What's?

Garry:

one I just really enjoyed every time Agon watches those.

Amy:

VHS tapes. Yeah, the VHS tapes.

Garry:

He just looks like he's so like, hmm, yes, like he's into them and he just has this connection with them. I just love that.

Amy:

Yes, I agree.

Garry:

Yes, that yes.

Amy:

I I agree, yes, and I also liked when liam realizes the zap is no longer.

Garry:

Yeah, yes, when he goes to shake, that's a good cheer with um, with cora, and once he realizes he just picks her up and yeah, yeah, that's what we talked.

Amy:

And yeah, for a favorite scene and a cheer yes, right, I totally agree, totally agree.

Garry:

What did you have?

Amy:

I have basically like the longing looks we get between Cora and Liam in this episode. There are several throughout.

Garry:

Yep.

Amy:

You know where they almost kiss and then they do kiss at the end.

Amy:

But there are some of these, like you just feel you know the chemistry between them, Like feel, you know the chemistry between them, like um, we talked about it not too long ago the driving scene, right, right, where they're kind of finally messing around and she's you know, she's kind of slid over the seat to try to grab something from, and they kind of look at each other longingly. Um, when she says to liam after magnus, uh, magnus has just dropped Cora off and Liam kind of made a little bit of a scene with Magnus. I forget what he says, like do we have a problem here? And he's like not, if you get back in the car and drive back to where you came from or something like that.

Garry:

I thought that that was funny, that was a good one.

Amy:

She says to Liam you know, if you have a real reason why I shouldn't hang out with Magnus, I want you to tell me right now. And she's just like dying for him to tell her. And he just looks at her and you know, and he's really trying not to because he knows she's supposed to be with Finn. Excuse me. According to the angels Right.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

That's supposed to be her fate. He doesn't know why yet. Right, that's supposed to be her fate. He doesn't know why yet. But and then the necklace moment, like we talked about the scene at Second Chances, where he's there and he tells her he likes being close to her because she just comes alive there, because that's her, that's her thing, that's what she loves to do.

Garry:

Right To help kids.

Amy:

You know that, are you know, maybe lost, and give them a second chance. That are, you know, maybe lost, and give them a second chance. And then, of course, at the end of the episode, when he realizes what he has to do and he's looking at her through the window that was just so, so great.

Amy:

And he says I may not be her soulmate, but she's the love of my life, of all my lives. I'll do whatever it takes to help her change the world for the better, even if that means I can never have her.

Garry:

And I was like I know Even Samia Like he, yeah, oh yeah, she's, she's tearing up too, and it doesn't.

Amy:

And I was like are you crying? Yeah, and she's like no, no.

Garry:

I so just the longing looks between them.

Amy:

it really worked and built up throughout the episode and then you get to the end and you realize he really can't do that.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

You know because he's been told why what her purpose is by that point.

Garry:

And that was the scene before then.

Amy:

Right, right. So do you have other cheers? Well, I was gonna.

Garry:

I was gonna say that scene where liam, samuel and agon are in one of the hospital rooms and agon tells him her true destiny, which is second chances, and that back in the 1840, 1844, yeah, she was supposed to open up a second chances, but only like an orphan home.

Amy:

An orphanage.

Garry:

Orphanage, yeah, yeah and something else I can't remember what else she called it and then he gives that look like now I know what to do, and that's the scene you were just talking about.

Amy:

Yeah, and then he understands. And he has that moment of realization on his face, like I really can't be selfish in this moment because she's destined for much greater things right than me yeah, yeah, I agree so did you have any uh anymore?

Amy:

um, I liked all the scenes between agon and liam. You know, like when liam tells agon, I wouldn't have had to tell her if you hadn't popped out right in front of her face. You know about suzette when su Suzette saw him disappear. You know we talked about it earlier about Aegon getting excited, about using sarcasm. And then when Liam tells Aegon he and Korra kissed, he's excited at first because he wants them to be together but he knows they can't. Then he's like, oh, I can't be excited, I'm sorry, you know he brings it in.

Amy:

I just I love their scenes. I really liked another cheer is how we had the addition of Bale. I wasn't expecting that, although I should have, I was more focused on the love triangle and what's going to happen, and you know, without thinking of the other side coming into play.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

So we haven't even really talked about that, but I thought that that adds another layer to the storytelling. I think so so did you have any other cheers?

Garry:

My last cheer was when we find out about Suzette. Oh my goodness.

Amy:

Oh, that's your cheer. It's a cheer because I thought it was so brilliant.

Garry:

Yes, because you would have never saw that coming. I didn't see it coming. I didn't see it coming either, so they're sitting there talking. Was it Liam and her?

Amy:

Yes, in the hospital. She comes to the hospital because Cora's in the hospital and she's like how's she doing?

Garry:

She's going to be fine, yeah, and she gets a text message from an unknown caller Yep and then she goes out and lo and behold, it's Bale sitting on a bench. Yeah, and she's the agent that.

Amy:

Well, I don't know, because she looks not happy. Did you notice that?

Garry:

She looks not happy but she's the agent and maybe it's because he's got something on her, so she has to do this. Oh right, because we find out, magnus is not the agent, is not the agent.

Amy:

So we think it's her, but I think think they we'll talk about that more in a minute. But yeah, yeah, so, but I was surprised too yes I was, you know, when she got that text message and then she goes to go outside and I was a little bit like what's gonna happen? I wasn't sure where it was going, but yeah, I wasn't expecting that yeah, so that was a good surprise um the other cheers would be liam's one-liners yes about the phone when he says what's the point of this thing if she won't answer me?

Garry:

you know, because he's texting her and she won't text cora won't text him back.

Amy:

And that's us with. Like the kids, why do they have a phone if they won't text us back? Yeah I know you have the phone in your hand. Um, when liam goes to ask suzette why corora was with Magnus and she tells him about Finn being a pool shark, right, and he goes Finn, boring lawyer Finn.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

And then when he sees Finn, he's kind of smirking and he's like oh, I didn't take you for a billiards man.

Garry:

you know A billiards bow, a gambling man, a billiards bow, yeah.

Amy:

You know kind of razzing him. I thought that that was kind of cute. And then he says to Cora you know that Finn looked like a man who had a proper dressing down. You know, you get a wee bit scary when you get your backup. Yes, and Liam, we talked about we alluded to this a little bit earlier Liam's, like you know, look, I know that there might be something between you and Cora, but you still pushed me to talk to her.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

Or this is Finn saying this to Liam Right, and I want you to know that I appreciate it and Liam's like oh, you really are annoyingly decent, aren't you? You know, it's just so funny because he likes Finn.

Garry:

Yes.

Amy:

He just doesn't want him to be with cora. So I just love the back and forth about that and him struggling with that and all of his one-liners. So that just all works for me, just all all works. So I'm just really digging it. Did you have any jeers?

Garry:

I had two. Oh okay, yes, oops, sorry was the parking lot driving scene. Oh, where they see Meredith, they switch seats. Cora drives up, tries to drive to follow her.

Amy:

Yeah, and a truck comes in and blocks her.

Garry:

Oh yeah, now I'm going and they like gave up. And I'm like, come on, right you can't honk the horn saying please, please, whatever, to move that thing, come on.

Garry:

Yeah, that was a little, so that was a year for me, yeah, and my last year was the only thing issue I had between Liam and Cora was the constant back and forth I like you, I don't like you, I like you, I don't like you, I like you, I don't like you, I like you, I don't like you, I like you, I don't like you. So that was it for me. So what about you? Did you have any jeers?

Amy:

Well, I mean going back to your jeer, though for a second.

Garry:

Uh-oh, you have that. Look on your face.

Amy:

No, no, no, I don her. I mean that's the whole. And I know you're kind of like that with whatever we watch. You're like just get on with it. Yeah, just talk about it and move on and you know like let's move forward.

Amy:

But in this particular case, I think it's part of the story in terms of the struggle with you're desperately in love with someone, but you know that their destiny might end up getting them killed right but your heart is telling you to go for them and she is drawn to him in that way because she's having these dreams, right, and she doesn't know they're like real right, they're like she's remembering from 1844, really right, but they're in her dreams and she feels drawn to him but can't explain it. But yet here's Finn, this nice guy. So it is like a back and forth, but in the chemistry is there and it's so strong. So I mean, I get it, you're allowed to have that as a cheer, but I just think that that's part of the.

Amy:

That's why you came in.

Garry:

What were yours? That's the whole point, or yours?

Amy:

I just had the one where she's at Magnus' house and he pulls a gun on her. You know, because we know he's a bad guy and you know she asks him where Meredith is, and you know he's in on it with Meredith, she thinks, and where's her gun?

Garry:

Yeah, she's a police officer, Didn't she?

Amy:

have one, I thought she had one on her and then she runs out the door but she goes towards the water Like I didn't understand, and then she goes police help. I just didn't, that scene just didn't work.

Garry:

Right, right, that's a good point.

Amy:

She didn't have her gun with her, I just I just well, I just I just well, I thought she well, of course she was on a date. So maybe, but I thought she did have it.

Garry:

Maybe I just am not remembering correctly. She found that she found the stolen money from Eli Right.

Amy:

Right, well, that was. That was another jeer from me as part of that. I guess that scene really, because she says she's going to go to the bathroom and then she goes and sneaks in his room.

Garry:

I mean he can hear you Like what are you doing?

Amy:

You're not going to be able to play that off. He knows you're a police. I just felt like that didn't work that well, but you know, that's just a small minute thing.

Garry:

Yeah, yeah.

Amy:

The rest of it, so all right so out of five corpse.

Garry:

How many would you give it you?

Amy:

go first. I'm going to give it a five. I just love the storytelling, I love the weaving of the story, I love the different time frames that we see and I like how they distinguish them from one another. Present day is very bright. 1844 is dark, darker anyway, it's not dark, I mean we can see it. And then you have, of course, the celestial, which is stark white, and I'm really loving the weaving of the story right so far. What would you give it?

Garry:

well, I guess a five, even though I had my two years.

Amy:

I really had one you can I really enjoy.

Garry:

No, I know, that's why I'm saying personal thing, not I, because I really enjoyed the rest of the story and the little got you with Suzette. You know that she's an agent.

Amy:

Yeah, that was surprising.

Garry:

I hope it's because he has something on her, you know.

Amy:

That's why I think her face kind of said that.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

That's why I think when she was sitting there, I was really watching it then like her face, because she seemed kind of like you know, no, because she tells him Finn and her are done. I'm sorry, liam and her are done.

Garry:

Right.

Amy:

Right and she's or no? Does he want her to be with Liam? He wants her to be with Liam.

Garry:

Right, right. So the past happens again, right right. So she tells him Right that he's on track for that.

Amy:

Right right that she thinks that's going to happen.

Garry:

I forgot to mention.

Amy:

But she doesn't know about that last scene though.

Garry:

No.

Amy:

About him.

Garry:

Okay, sorry, go ahead the biblical reference, the bar Dante.

Amy:

Oh yes.

Garry:

I forgot to mention that.

Amy:

Yes, that's right.

Garry:

Dante's Inferno Right and the Dante's Bar is the bar that they go to the the retirement party is at right, right, okay, leo's the tavern. I think it is.

Amy:

Yes, yes, that's right, it's Dante's Bar. Yes, is that what it's called, right, yep?

Garry:

And going back to that box, it did. It did have a number on it R311-01. Now you're talking about the box, that which one Agon had, where he pulled the VHS tape out of Right, the one that says Liam and Cora, 19th century, and it kind of references Inferno and Kanto 3, line 11, that the dash 01 could mean first occurrence of, I guess, the devil or whatever.

Amy:

Oh.

Garry:

And then Canto 3 in Inferno is where Dante and Virgil approach the gates of hell. Oh, I understand. So I'm wondering if that was put in there on purpose.

Amy:

Maybe because the box number was what Like R311 or something.

Garry:

Dash 01. Dash 01.

Amy:

So, you're saying those numbers are significant too.

Garry:

Right In the biblical times Maybe maybe not.

Amy:

Maybe, maybe not. I just thought I'd mention it. Yeah, I don't know.

Garry:

Right and.

Amy:

Dante is what now?

Garry:

Dante, dante, he's from Dante Inferno, who he? I don't remember all of it.

Amy:

Right, right it was. I've heard the phrase Dante's Inferno. Yeah, it's where I think he was a poet or something.

Garry:

And he takes this like sabbatical into the woods and, you know, just has all these images of hell and fire and whatever.

Amy:

Oh, okay, I think it's something like that. I'll have to look it up, but it has to deal with the darker side, right, the darker side Mainly. Okay, okay, all right, well, that's interesting. So what would you think? What do you think is going to happen? I mean, we have Bale who's from the other side right, I have no idea. We have Boy boy in on it. Do you think he's in on it? Because he keeps do like with cora.

Garry:

He was asking her are you in on or don't you think it's? Um, well, he's kind of even in the 1844s. He's kind of shade. He's like when he meets liam and cora at the water, on the water's edge, liam goes hey, can you sell palm leaves for me and give me some money so we can go to the States? And he's like, well, I could get more money for that necklace she's wearing Right and he's like, no, you're not getting it.

Garry:

We're not doing that, so it just feels like he's kind of a fishy dude.

Amy:

It kind of does and I found where. So he thinks Cora is looking into murder for hire Right. For Meredith's husband Husband yeah, I can't think of their last name right now, but he thinks it's murder for hire or Brady John Brady. But she's looking into Brady's businesses.

Amy:

She thinks it has to do with that and he's kind of like oh, I thought you were looking into the murder for hire, that was the goal. So you wonder, is he trying to sway her away from the business dealings, because he's part of it? And then you have Leo, who is her dad's friend. Is he into some shady stuff, like you said I? Wonder if the name of the bar is kind of telling us that he's. Yeah, not on the up and up could be I mean, we know, bail is bad right because he's from the other side and suzette, I mean.

Amy:

What do you think like, I wonder? Is it going to be a thing where you know, as far as liam and cora and finn, is liam gonna have to sacrifice his life for cora so she can be with finn? Is that how it's going to end up? Because I'm going to be sad.

Garry:

That's the way it's playing out.

Amy:

I'm going to be sad.

Garry:

But maybe then Finn says, no, I'll do it. I don't know. I think it could go either way.

Amy:

Yeah, I agree.

Garry:

But I hope they both.

Amy:

Are you team? Finn, or are you team?

Garry:

Liam, I'm Liam.

Amy:

I just so good. Why can't we have somebody whose chemistry is on fire and it's a good guy? Let's do that. Let's do that.

Garry:

Well, he is a good guy. He just has some circumstances growing up right, so is that a wrap.

Amy:

That's a wrap.

Garry:

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Amy:

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Garry:

Cheers.