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Hallmark's Signed, Sealed, Delivered Higher Ground

Garry & Amy

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On this episode of Pour The Wine, It’s Rom-Com Time, Garry and Amy are joined by their friend Nicole, from the Swing My Heart Podcast, to review Signed, Sealed, Delivered: Higher Ground. When a dead letter leads the POstables into the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, they uncover stories of separation, resilience, and the lasting ache of words left unsaid.

They explore why this installment resonates so deeply, from its rich New Orleans atmosphere to the way it weaves hope into profound loss. They also break down what makes the film so impactful, from Kevin Fair’s direction to its meaningful music choices to the symbolism behind “higher ground.” Plus, they chat about Oliver and Shane’s charming E-Flat lounge date, the unseen kiss that has fans talking, and Norman’s long-awaited proposal to Rita. 

Pour a glass, get cozy, and tune in as they dive into the moments that make this film unforgettable, and why it continues to leave such a lasting impression on the hearts of POstable fans.

Send us an email to pourthewineitsromcomtime@gmail.com! We'd love to hear your thoughts!

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SPEAKER_00

Welcome to Pour the Wine It's From Come Time. I'm Amy.

SPEAKER_05

And I'm Gary.

SPEAKER_00

And we are so excited to welcome Nicole from Swing My Heart Podcast. Hi, Nicole.

SPEAKER_04

How are you doing, Nicole?

SPEAKER_00

Yay. Thank you so much for joining us. We've talked about it for a while, and you were so gracious and had us on your podcast a few times already. And so we are so excited that you're here to talk about Sign Seal Delivered. Yay! Which I know is one of your favorite shows, right? Yes. When calls the heart may top that, right?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Just a little bit. Well, why don't you tell our listeners a little bit about your podcast, when and why you started, and what the focus of your content is on your podcast.

SPEAKER_03

So I started my podcast in let's see, what was it? June of 2021. And the reason I started, so backstory. I originally was going to start a Hallmark-centered blog where I review the movies and shows you know in a written way. And then in time do written interviews. But I think it was sometime around my birthday of maybe 2020. Maybe 2021. I can't remember for sure. One of my cousins inspired me to start a podcast instead. You know, she said podcasts are a big thing, so why don't you start a podcast? And hence the podcast.

SPEAKER_00

And hence the podcast. That's so cool. So you're you're almost you're five years, just about five years in, right? Or maybe I don't know. You said in the summer. Yeah. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. And I'm speaking like Oliver. Hence. That's okay. You can do that. We love Oliver. Yes, we do. And it took a little bit of time. I didn't want to start the podcast on my own. You know, I'm someone that likes interacting, you know, likes that interaction with fellow Hallmark fans. So I found, well, not found. I reached out to one of my fellow Hardy friends who I had met a little while before. I think during season eight of Wing Calls the Heart. You know, I had started talking to her around that time, maybe a little after, and she agreed to be my co-host. She's no longer my co-host, but we're still good friends. Oh, that's great.

SPEAKER_00

That's great. That's awesome. Good for you. And you've continued. So you review not just Wing Calls the Heart and Sign Seal Delivered. You talk about all things Hallmark, correct? Yes.

SPEAKER_03

Yep. Yep. I try to review as many of the movies as I can. It's kind of hard to keep up with, especially during a Wing Calls the Heart season because you're engulfed in that. Oh, yes. Yeah. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00

You're pretty happy in that. And you know, Countdown to Christmas isn't easy either with the movies that air. I know we're still trying to catch up on those. On those reviews. Well, we are. I'm so excited that you're here. I know we, I know we both are. So yay! It's gonna be so fun to talk to you today. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited. So today we are gonna be reviewing Sign Seal Delivered Higher Ground. It originally aired on the Hallmark channel on February 19th, 2017. It stars, of course, the uh OGs, the postables. Eric Mabius is Oliver O'Toole. Kristen Booth is Shane McInerney. I finally learned how to say that, by the way. It took me a minute. Crystal Lowe plays Rita Haywith. Jeff Gustafson is Norman Dorman. And in this episode, we also get to see Gregory Harrison as Joe O'Toole. Mark Valley as Steve. He makes an appearance again as Steve. Zach Santiago as Ramon. Yay! Kev Moe plays Gabe and Karen Holness plays Hattie. Nice. Nice. Amazing cast.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it is a good cast. Um so Science Hill Delivered Higher Ground was directed by Kevin Fair, and Kevin directed two episodes of the SSD TV series and ten of the SSD movies. Yay, Kevin. He has numerous other Hallmark directing credits, including Caught by Love, The Reluctant Royal, Legend of the Lost Locket, and Our Christmas Journey. Yay! We have to thank Kevin because he brought us a great series, right? Or directed a great series. And Higher Ground was directed by Martha Williamson and Brandi Harkonen. Of course, Martha created the SSD series, wrote it, and executive produced it. Brandy has written the SSD series and movies alongside Martha. So yay.

SPEAKER_00

What a creative genius she is, right? Good gracious.

SPEAKER_03

Yes. Her both Martha and Brandy wrote the previous two Sign Sealed. So three letters and then to the Moon and Bath.

SPEAKER_00

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00

All right. So I will drop the synopsis. The synopsis is the postal detectives reunite a couple separated by the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

And I guess it should say the postal detectives try to reunite. It kind of gives it away, right?

SPEAKER_05

Yes, it does.

SPEAKER_00

That's what that's what IMDB said. I can't, you know. All right. So let's get into it, Nicole.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, let's do it.

SPEAKER_00

Go ahead.

SPEAKER_05

No, I was just gonna say, don't forget this is a part of the podcast where we tell you we might drop some spoilers. Well, we probably will. So if you haven't seen it, how many years now? Uh yeah, we um we suggest that you stop the podcast or watch come back and let us know what you think.

SPEAKER_00

Nine years. Nine years, nine years ago. Yep, yep. All right, so Nicole, let's talk first takes. What is your overall impression of this particular movie?

SPEAKER_03

So, my overall impression, this never changes. This one is always in my top three, no matter what number it is. I love them all. I love every single movie and episode. Don't get me wrong, they're all amazing in their own way. But this one, this is a masterclass in cinema.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, interesting. So, so get into a little details about that, about why you say it's a masterclass in cinema, just overall general right now before we get into specifics.

SPEAKER_03

The writing, like the master weaving from Martha and Brandy, the directing is just on point, the costumes, of course, um, the editing, right? The music, yes, acting, just everything is just amazing. I I don't have a bad word to say.

SPEAKER_05

I agree a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_00

And it you know, it's funny because that it it really is, it really is. Gary, what about you?

SPEAKER_05

What's your overall um it's SSD, so what did I think? I loved, loved, loved it. I mean, the the character growth that happened in this one episode, I my mind is still trying to wrap itself around it. I mean, especially Norman. I mean, he he stepped out of his shell and I was really impressed. But yeah, I also like the the scenery, the music. It all went well with each of the scenes. So yeah, I loved it.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah.

SPEAKER_05

What about you? What did you think?

SPEAKER_00

Um I think, you know, kind of Nicole, what you said once again, Martha, you know, she's so great at taking a sensitive and tragic topic, really, and shining a light on the culture of what was going on. Of course, we're talking about Hurricane Katrina, you know, a devastating hurricane, especially in New Orleans and Louisiana. And she just beautifully weaves the story and gives a glimpse of New Orleans culture. You know, we have the postables working that dead letter, trying to reunite Gabe with Hattie. And all the while their relationships are continuing to grow and change throughout the episode. So there's all these, like you said, Nicole, weaving of the storyline. I mean, I honestly don't know how they did it for all those years. And hopefully, maybe we'll get more, maybe at least one more eventually. Um, but it's just, you know, you have the funny quips from Oliver. You have, you know, the Shane and Oliver banter, Gabe and Hattie story, and you know, and then we have the scene that I can only presume postables were waiting for towards the end, you know, with Norman and Rita, which I'm sure we'll talk about. So I I bet that was such a huge thing at the time, and everybody was so excited. So yeah, just overall, just another great movie, and no one will be shocked at the rating that I give it at the end.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I really loved going back to the weaving. I specifically love how Martha weaved the story of Gabe and Hattie, and you know, their longing for each other, and you know, that long-awaited reunion with Oliver and Shane and their long-awaited reunion.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Yeah, that's that's such a great point, too. There are always parallels, right, between what's going on in the postables' lives, as there often are, and what they're trying to the dead letter that they're trying to, you know, they're trying to find the home for that dead letter. So yes, totally, totally agree.

SPEAKER_03

Yes, and I do have a few observations. Um I'll share towards the end of the episode about some of the camera work and directing.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, great.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, good argument.

SPEAKER_00

Looking forward to that. That's cool. Yeah. All right. So let's get into some favorite scenes. Now, I know in a sign sale delivered, this is very difficult to do. We have a hard time narrowing it down. That's why our podcast episodes are so long, usually with these, because it is, it's so you want to talk about everything, right? And I know it's hard. So, Nicole, give us if you want to talk about you know, uh, a favorite scene of yours or two or three or ten. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03

I wrote down, I kind of broke the rule a little bit. Y'all sent me three to five. I said six.

SPEAKER_00

I get it. I totally get it. Well, we'll probably agree on some, also. So the whole thing.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_03

I think the first one, like top favorite scene in this movie, is the very last scene with Oliver and Shane's DLO reunion. Shane is talking about the letters that she wrote to him. And I even kind of remember what she said. So the first one was about the first one was her talking about kissing him on the steps, right? Outside the eat lounge. The second one was talking about how she wished she never left.

SPEAKER_02

And then I have the exact quote for the last three.

SPEAKER_03

That's fine. The third one is about how afraid I am that they can't that I can't do what they need me to do. And the fourth one is about how I'm afraid I'm gonna die before I see you again. The fifth one is about deciding to survive it all so I can come back to this crazy stupid place.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, and she is so Kristen Booth is so good in that moment, too. Yeah, it's it makes tears roll up in my eyes every single time.

SPEAKER_05

I know the tissues that came out during this episode was just numerous.

SPEAKER_00

It's so good and so impactful, you know.

SPEAKER_03

And just when I reviewed this movie with a fellow postable, Casey, who is one of the hosts of Deliver Me a podcast, we were talking really in depth about this scene, and we just love both of us commented on you know the push and pull of that scene, you know, they're going back and forth, they're arguing about certain things, you know, Oliver moving her desk. And if you're suggesting I didn't miss you, yes, when she says that at the end I might be the only person on earth who knows what you just said, yeah. And just the range of emotions in that scene, and you know, when Shane starts talking about the letters, you can just see Oliver's demeanor just change on and on. Yeah, and he also And I think you know it starts, it's go ahead.

SPEAKER_05

No, I was just gonna say he also pulls out her her napkin that she doodled on to sh to tell the difference between jazz and blues. And I thought that was that just added. That's when tears all the tears just started coming, right? That that one scene is just oof, man.

SPEAKER_03

Just of course, the whole cast is just fantastic, but there's something about Eric and Kristen's acting where they could be, for example, you know, bickering about something one minute, or you know, having a comedic moment, and then just all of a sudden they go into this deep conversation. Right. And that's just that show like their acting shots are just amazing where they could just change on a dime. Turn it on a dime like that. Yeah, emotions, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I I totally agree. I mean, that scene, I think it it's great from the jump when he walks into the DLO and you can kind of see his face. Does he see the hat first or the the he saw her desk first?

SPEAKER_05

So her desk was okay, okay. Yeah, and then he turned and saw the hat, and then he saw the chair, and then that's when she turned around.

SPEAKER_00

And then when she turned, I mean, the brilliance of that moment alone leading into the whole rest of that scene is so good. Yes, you know.

SPEAKER_03

I don't know if y'all picked up on it. I didn't catch it the very first time I watched it because I of course I was in New Postable at the time.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's us.

SPEAKER_03

Probably not. I didn't catch. Um, but the direction she turned she turns in the chair, it's the same direction that Holly turns, I think.

SPEAKER_00

Oh wow. Oh, really? No, I didn't, I would not have noticed. Nope. Yeah, nope, nope, nope. But I agree. That was fantastic. We agree with you as a favorite scene. I definitely have that, I have that highlighted in my notes as one of the favorite scenes. It's just, it's so good and it's worth a payoff, right? Like you've waited that whole time. And and I think too, just the fact that she wrote letters because that's Oliver. He's very, you know. Yeah. So it's yes, chef's kiss today.

SPEAKER_02

Chef's kiss. And the kiss was chef's kiss.

SPEAKER_03

My kiss was that kiss is one of the best kisses, I think, in film history, not just Hallmark.

SPEAKER_00

Not just Hallmark, across the board, right? Across all genres. That's so so good. So good.

SPEAKER_01

Um, all right.

SPEAKER_00

Do you have any other others that you want to talk about first?

SPEAKER_03

My next one for Oliver and Shane is the data at EFA E-Flat Lounge, and then of course the unseen first kiss on the stairs. Yes, yes. I'll say I love that scene from the start when he goes to her house and he brushes off the porch, thinking he's gonna have that porch swing conversation, but nope. Nope. That does not all the way to the end of that scene until they're interrupted by Steve the Snake.

SPEAKER_00

Someone, someone who decides to show up.

SPEAKER_03

And I love how they're talking about the difference between jazz and the blues, and fun fact, the E-Flat Lounge, so the E flat E-Flat was an Easter egg or callback, I guess, so to speak, to a choral group that Martha was in in college called the E-Flat. Are you serious?

SPEAKER_00

That's such a cool fact. That's why I said there's so many like nuggets and tidbits in every movie and Easter eggs. Oh, that's such a cool fact.

SPEAKER_03

I love that. Yes, and also another fun fact was that scene. Now, of course, I didn't know it when I first watched, but I think it was something I read on the Sein Cell Delivered blog, Alameda and Downing. That scene, so the kiss on the steps was originally not gonna be on the steps, it was going to be a hidden kiss behind uh um like a pole, not necessarily a pole, but like something you would see like in a park, like an arch. Right. And it was yeah, and they changed it. Yeah, I think because of the weather. I think it started raining. Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_00

So it was legitimately raining when they because she kind of that's such a great scene too, because she pulls him back, and then the fact that they don't show it is genius too, I think. And then you just see her hand kind of drop from the rail, like she's so enamored by the kiss. It's so, it's so swoon worthy.

SPEAKER_03

That was a callback or Easter egg to. Um, I think Martha specifically took inspiration for that scene from oh gosh, what was it? The classic film An Affair to Remember. So the kiss on the steps in that movie. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00

I've never seen that movie, but I know for a fact that that's that was a call, that was her nod to that film.

SPEAKER_03

I'm not gonna lie. I was so mad the first time I watched, I was like, why aren't they showing the person?

SPEAKER_00

She gave you a teaser in that part of the movie, right? And then she saved she saved the good stuff for the towards the end or the end, I guess. It was the end.

SPEAKER_03

As I you know, thought over it a couple days after I watched, I was I understood why. Like yeah, they're more of a private kind of couple when it comes to that kind of stuff. So I understood it needed to be a moment just between them, just between the two of them. Yeah, it was beautiful.

SPEAKER_00

Totally agree.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Gary, what about you? You want to talk about a couple? We'll do each do a couple and then we'll go back.

SPEAKER_05

On that scene, I call it the all-seen kiss. Um the what I what what I took from that is prior to that kiss, they they were in the lounge, and she was that's where she was doodling, and she was talking about jazz and the blues, and she drew jazz as something you can see but not feel, and blues being something you can't see, but you can feel. So that kiss, you couldn't see it, but you could feel it as a particular as a person who's watching it, you felt it, but you couldn't see the actual kiss. So that's what I took from that scene, and it was one of my favorite scenes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. I didn't think about that either. I'm not as deep of a thinker.

SPEAKER_05

So, what about you? Did you have one, Amy?

SPEAKER_00

Um, did you have another one you want to talk about before we go to meet?

SPEAKER_05

Another one?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

I I just let's do two. Okay, let's do two. Um at a time.

SPEAKER_00

I just like there's more.

SPEAKER_05

I'm gonna go back to the beginning when they were when Oliver opened the letter and just the look on each of the characters' faces and how like you can they're acting with just their face. And it was so the angle of the shots, how they went around the room and looked at each character and their expression when he was cutting open the letter. Man, I mean, you talk about a lot of feeling this movie and not seeing was for me really good. So that was one of my favorite scenes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Yeah, that was one of your favorite scenes. Um, one of mine, of course, I mean, you guys have mentioned a few of mine already. Yeah, of course, I won't repeat them, but um, when Shane says to Oliver, I see we're back to calling me Ms. McNern. And then he comes over and he what does he say? Um, tomorrow night, I'll be back to calling you Shane. And I was like, Yes, oh my God. And her heart just melts and it shows all over her face in that moment. You know, it's so good. It's I know it word for word.

SPEAKER_03

Come to my night. I fully intend to call you Shane, Miss Mac.

SPEAKER_00

There you go. I know, it's so good. He's so good in that moment. So That was one of my just it's it's a short, you know, it's like a brief scene, but it there is fire in that scene, right? It's just it's so, so good. Um, and then of course, I love when we see Ramon when he shows up at the mailbox girl, and he comes and I'm like, of course, there he is. And of course, he's he's the new owner, you know. We're just we're always like, of course he's the new owner of the Yeah, they're like, What do you think? Norman is like, what do you mean, right? And he's like, it's a marvelous venue. It's just it's so cute. And then and then Rita, in that same moment, I believe it's right at that time, she invites Ramon to sit and listen to the rest of the dead letter. And you can see Norman's like, you know, and then Norman gets squished in between between Ramon and Rita, and he's just the way he acts too, it's so funny to me. I just adored that scene, guys. And Ramon is just innocent, right? Like he's got a little crush on Rita, but he doesn't really, you know, in that moment, he's just like, Yeah, I want to listen. And he and he sits down. So that would be another one.

SPEAKER_01

I did write down a couple more to mention briefly. If I'd yeah, yeah, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna go through, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It's so hard. I like I literally wanted to write down almost every single scene. I'm not even joking.

SPEAKER_00

I know I had to, I know it's so hard. Yeah, that's why I figured we just do a couple each and we'll go back to you, and I've got some more too. Yep, go ahead. What you got?

SPEAKER_03

I loved all the Gabe and Hattie scenes, but I think my top two would have to be when he sings one friend in her um restaurant. So, you know, Hattie's back street. And then we see the I think at one point we see the montage, and that's you know, interwoven with the postables in the mailbox grill when they're reading the rest of his letter, and you know, and you're waiting for um Shane's search on Hattie, and we see him open up to Hattie, Gabe, that is, about his wife and their baby girl in the fire, and Hattie says, You gotta get to higher ground.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that scene wrecks me every single time. Yes, and I I had that written as well. So you're covering all you were good. That same exact I know.

SPEAKER_03

And then, of course, their mailbox grill reunion. That one is just beautiful, and when Hattie comes in. I love when, you know, Norman, I think, is who sees Oliver walk in and he's like, Oh, there's Oliver, you know, and then I think Rita says, Oh, maybe Shane's right behind him. She's always late. And then I think it's Norman who's like, that's not Shane. That's not Shane. Yeah, I think he says so.

SPEAKER_01

And then he starts crying, and Oliver hands his handkerchief.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, that was so cool.

SPEAKER_00

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_05

That was Amy, that was Amy handing me a tissue.

SPEAKER_00

That is not a joke. And that is so, so true. And you know, the the scene that you were just talking about where Gabe is talking about um how his wife and his daughter died in the fire, and Hattie says you have to go to higher ground, and that's sort of, you know, she says she finds the highest point, right, in New Orleans. And then she goes and watches the sunrise, and that sort of relates to where he is in present day. He finds the highest point in Colorado, yeah, where they are, because he's waiting for her. And I just just the the evolution of that and that the writing of bringing that around, you know, back full circle basically to that, I thought was so good because you know, you are kind of wondering, like, why is he up on the it's like a the church, right? Like the church steps, and you're like, I wonder why he goes there, and then you just it just comes together, you know. Right, you're like, because he's found the higher ground.

SPEAKER_03

I'm like, oh yeah, I also wrote down, of course, I could not not mention this one, Norman's proposal to read.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, that's it, yeah. We well, we can't we can't leave this episode without that.

SPEAKER_02

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03

Did Oliver stayed behind to listen? Yes, despite his own heartbreak, that yes, it was awesome. That melted my heart.

SPEAKER_00

That was so sweet. It is so and the way the way he delivers that in that scene, the way Norman does to each other.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, he's like, he says, I have I have the nickname for you.

SPEAKER_00

I thought it was it re it's Rita, what'd you say? Lunar, right? Moon River or Moon River, Rita Moon River Haywith. Right, Dorman. And then I thought it was cute that he doesn't actually have the ring. He's like, it's my other pants, and I was gonna change in that. So Norman.

SPEAKER_05

It is, it is so him.

SPEAKER_03

I think no, I don't not that I can remember, but I think Moon River. So Rito's middle name. I feel like I'm pretty sure it is, because I I I don't think that this is a coincidence. Moon River Productions, I think is Martha's production company. Stop it.

SPEAKER_05

Oh wow man.

SPEAKER_00

Do they play that? Do they play the song Moon River and some of the isn't that in one of the pilot movie episodes? Yeah, isn't it the when Shane and Oliver dance in the dance, right? Yeah, but it's her production company, Austin. I think so. Yeah. Oh gosh. See, there's all these little all these little nuggets.

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And I I thought it was so sweet when he said, I wrote it down, I don't think I'll make you as happy as you make me, but I'm gonna try every day for the rest of my life. And I'm like, oh my gosh. So sweet. And then after they, you know, he gives her, she says yes, of course, and they hug and then they cheer a little. And that's like when you said they show Oliver outside. It's just such a sweet moment. And then doesn't Rita say something like, Can we stand up now? Because they're both she got down on her knees.

SPEAKER_04

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

So, so cute.

SPEAKER_03

I love how she gets down on her knees to Norman's level. That was Yes. Yeah, that was super, super sweet scene. I totally agree. I have one more, and it is Norman and Oliver's rooftop conversation.

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Norman and Oliver.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, okay. When you know, Oliver is feeling really down that Shane still hasn't returned, and Oliver is just encouraging him. You know, he kind of or and Norman, sorry, excuse me. And Norman is encouraging Oliver. Yes. Right. And um at the end of that scene, or Norman says, you know, we have a lot more to hope for than Gabe does now. And Oliver says, I don't know what to do. You know, he's just heartbroken over Shane. And Norman, I think this is basically when he decides that he's gonna propose. And he's like, Well, I know what I'm gonna do.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, he says, I know what I that's what he is. It is a very sweet scene. And Norman, I I love that about his character too, is that you know, he it's not like he never speaks, but he doesn't speak as much as the others, and but when he does, he has profound things to say. Like they do have him come in, and because of his experience in life, and you know, when he was a foster guy, like he always he's so sweet in those moments, and I love those moments between him and Oliver. Yes, because it's almost like they're brothers, sort of, and you know, he kind of views Oliver that way. So yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03

I actually sometime after A Tale of Three Letters aired, I can't remember how long ago, or I can't remember how long after the movie had premiered, but I made a parallel edit with this scene and the one with Oliver and Norman in Three Letters in the hall when Shane gets really mad at Oliver and storms out.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, so we haven't seen that one yet. Yeah, you should send it. So you made a parallel, so it is similar.

SPEAKER_03

Like a parallel, yeah, kind of similar in the conversation that they're having because that was when she was all mad. I think it was in the scene when Shane kept dumping the sugar in Oliver's coffee, and then they had the argument about the um the wedding dress that he took to the you're talking about which one?

SPEAKER_00

Three letters. We haven't seen that one yet. Oh no, that's okay. No, you're good. No, like I said, it's like ten years, you know, whatever, nine eight.

SPEAKER_05

We told you there was gonna be some spoiler alerts.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. No, that's fine. No, that's fine. That one, sorry. No, no, no, you're good. No, I'll please.

SPEAKER_03

So in three letters, Oliver takes her wedding dress, Shane's that is, to a cleaner, like to have it preserved. And then it ends up getting burned. Oh no.

SPEAKER_02

And Shane gets so bad.

SPEAKER_00

Oh no, I'll just leave it at that. Oh no. How many, how many movies out is that from where we are now? So we have higher ground, and then the next one would be Home Again, Red Lush Traveled, To the Otter, Bows, then three letters.

SPEAKER_03

So we have like five.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, yeah. I was wondering how yeah, this was this was the I haven't looked at the list of the movies.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, was it? Mm-hmm. This is the mid-weap.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, okay. I haven't looked at the list in a while. Yeah. Not too much longer. Yeah. Yeah, we're getting there. We're getting there. Now that we're back on the now that we're back on the way and we're good. Sorry, I thought y'all had seen that one. Oh no, you're fine. You're totally fine. You're totally fine. Did you have any other any others, Nicole, that you I I know we could talk about the whole I do have a couple more scenes that I will mention, but they're for another segment.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, perfect. Okay, perfect. In context with what we okay. Yeah. How about you, Gary?

SPEAKER_05

Um, I was gonna go back to when uh Norman went to talk to Oliver outside. He he said that um what was it? He said, uh let me find it real quick. He said, we have everything to hope for, but Gabe is the one out there still singing. And I thought that was so profound. That's what Nicole, yeah. Yeah, that's what Nicole was mentioning. I'm gonna my my last favorite scene here is Ramon when he he talks about the three Ps, right? The passion, the bully, and poker. When he said poker, I just I just laugh because that is so Ramon. And then you have Rita. Rita is a card shark and a card counter.

SPEAKER_04

I know her blackjack, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

She said I'm uh blacklisted from every casino. Because she counts the card.

SPEAKER_00

She she can yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I actually did just remember one really quick. Yeah, yeah, good. Right at the beginning when they were in Eleanor's office and you know, they were going through her stuff, and I think it's Rita who sees the potato on the desk.

SPEAKER_00

And they're trying to convince Oliver. Oliver, because he's like, We're only supposed to take post, you know, post office.

SPEAKER_03

Take it to the DLO. And I forgot exactly word for word what Oliver's line is, but he said something about they have an odor, you know, after a certain amount of time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

He said, Well, Shane.

SPEAKER_00

It was really funny. And then they all three have to convince him they're like, please, they're gonna get together.

SPEAKER_05

He said, he said, Shane gets a blender.

SPEAKER_00

But that was Oliver just can't say no to things. You know, and the scenes between Joe and Oliver were so good too. I mean, I won't go into specifics, but I mean, there's always just that extra layer too, with him and his dad, and they were kind of funny, and his dad is um is dating again or you know, trying to date again, right? For a little bit, although we don't really meet her, we see her, but we don't meet her, but um, and then she's gone before we know it. But so there's there's just so many parallels and everything going through. I just yeah, I just love it.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it was awesome.

SPEAKER_00

Gosh, how long we could talk about it for like two hours, right? If we if we laid it out from beginning to end it from the beginning, beginning to end. Did you have any more Amy? Or um, no, I we talked about a bunch of them. Like I said, I could go over all of Oliver's little quips that I love, you know. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's so good. Um, okay, so normally we do a cheers section, but this will be the letters of the heart. So share what genuinely impressed you about the movie, overall themes, strong character development, storylines, standout performances, whatever of your choosing, Nicole. So we'll let you go first.

SPEAKER_03

So I did have a couple things that impressed me, different points. The first one I'll start with is now, of course, everything about every movie impresses me in some way, but yeah, with this one, I was really impressed with the subtext, especially with Oliver and Shane, and one scene in particular, or two scenes, just really briefly, the scene on the porch when they run into Steve after their date. Steve.

unknown

Steve.

SPEAKER_00

We need to talk to Steve.

SPEAKER_03

And you know, he's trying to get her to hurry and pack and pack for the trip. Steve, that is, and Shane pulls Oliver aside and she says, I really enjoyed our walk. And then she says she knew that he loved her. She knew.

SPEAKER_02

They were totally not talking about Gabe and Hattie.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, they were totally not.

SPEAKER_03

And it's evident, especially because I think Shane is telling Oliver to tell Gabe not to be too hard of hard on himself for I guess not telling Hattie how he feels.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_03

But we never see Oliver tell Gabe back.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, you're right. He doesn't. You're right. And I you're right. Shane does say that, doesn't she? Make sure you tell him not to be hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And then in Washington, I do have more thoughts on this scene, I think, in one of the next segments. But when you know he's trying to get her to go back to the DLO, and she still is kind of believing Steve that he is just keeping her there just because the job isn't done. Right. So we know that's not true. But Oliver says, Why would a man who obviously cares so much about you let you go if he didn't have to? Right. I ask myself that all the time. Oh. I can't lie to you. I know.

SPEAKER_02

They are not talking without game and happy.

SPEAKER_03

And then when Oliver says, I can't lie to you, and Shane says, I know, I feel like that's them actually saying, I love you to each other. Right. Oh, yeah, you're probably right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Well, he he said, I can't lie to you, but can Steve.

SPEAKER_01

But I'm wondering if Steve can. Yeah, I'm wondering if Steve, oh yes, yes.

SPEAKER_05

So that was that was a I mean, there were so many great scenes in this movie. I just man.

SPEAKER_02

I have thoughts on that scene with Steve that I'll share shortly.

SPEAKER_00

On the in the cheer section. Okay. All right, Gary, what about you?

SPEAKER_05

Um, I my cheer was how they showed Oliver. He he was kind of vulnerable. Um, having he was struggling with trusting faith when she left with when um um I just draw a brand. When she left with Steve, he just he felt like that was gonna be the last time he saw her. And maybe he was having flashbacks of his of his wife, or I don't know, his ex-wife, but yeah, I just I enjoyed how they made him like it was almost a struggle for him throughout the show. Especially when when they went into the restaurant and Shane had said when it was raining, and she had mentioned, you know, God and that the timing, and it's there's something always happening. And he was like, What what? What do you what do you mean? And he was kind of he was kind of uh taken off guard when she mentioned God because she's not in most of the movies not a religious person, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, she's the one who says maybe God is trying to tell us something because something happens, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I did really love Oliver's character development in this movie, like y'all were saying. Um now, at first, now first point that I have to bring up is at the beginning of the movie when they're first talking about Gabe's letter to Hattie, and I think they're in the DLO, and they're talking about how, or Oliver is trying to convince Shane that Gabe was in love. You know, belie he believes that Gabe was a man in love, and you know, Shane is not so sure. And that is actually the reverse of how it was in the pilot because Shane was the one that thought Kelly was in love when Oliver did not. Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

When she oh yes, yep.

SPEAKER_01

You're right.

SPEAKER_00

I hadn't thought about that.

SPEAKER_03

And then going to this movie specifically, I just love how he attempts to keep hope alive for Shane's return by refusing to give up on Gabe and Hattie. Especially when it was made harder by her three-month absence. And then instead of falling into that, you know, old habit where he just sits around and waits, he takes action, he does something about it, and he goes after Shane. And he actually goes there, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like all of the things.

SPEAKER_03

Like he never did that with Holly.

SPEAKER_00

He never went after Holly. Yeah. He never went to Paris to where was she? Paris, right? Yeah. He never went to Paris to he figured she would come back. Wasn't that his sort of like she'll come back when she is ready kind of thing?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I just yeah, I think that spoke volumes to I I think it just spoke volumes and it showed how he wasn't in love with Holly. If he was in love with Holly, he would have gone after her, but he was he is totally in love with Shane, and that's why he went after her.

SPEAKER_00

That is a great, great point. And I think I think too, when when Steve is initially there and he's like, we gotta go, which again, I think I'm I'm with you. We're gonna talk a little bit in the jurisdiction about that, but but he's like, you know, I gotta go. And I think Oliver, you know, of course he's gotta be like, you know, well, you gotta do what's right, you have to do what's best, you know. And and and he doesn't expect it to be three months. I don't, I don't think in that moment he thinks it's gonna be as long as it ends up being.

SPEAKER_04

Right.

SPEAKER_00

Like he's sort of like, okay, you can go, but then you're gonna come back. That's kind of the gist that I got anyway, from that moment.

SPEAKER_05

But yeah, I agree. Anything else, Gary, about for cheers or um, again, just the character development um throughout the movie for each of the characters. Is it was just, I mean, they all like came out and showed different sides. Yeah. Yeah, but but you have Rita who's just she's even cute, she's like their their rock, right? She she goes through life without a care. She she goes along, but then she has those moments where she everybody is like, oh, okay, you know, and it was I don't know. It's hard to explain, but what about you?

SPEAKER_00

I no, it's it's sort of like what you were saying. I mean, I well, for me, it's always uh how it handles how this series handles sensitive topics, like we've looked at alcoholism, right? Drunk driving, yes, Afghanistan. Yeah, and now we're talking about you know Hurricane Katrina. And I know at the time that that happened, I know this this aired what, 12 years after Hurricane Katrina. And if if you remember that time, um, it was a time before smartphones, it was a time before, you know, you really had all that information and the true devastation of that. And I just really appreciate that she's highlighting that area. And, you know, it has been brought back to life. And I think that was some of it, you know. Um and but so many people were displaced. So many people couldn't go back home after that. And I just appreciate Martha Williamson and There's, you know, shining a spotlight on that because that really did happen. And you did have people who couldn't afford, couldn't afford to leave and couldn't afford to come back home. I mean, that is that is reality. And I just think, you know, and then to to weave a love story with within all of that, I thought I thought was brilliant. You know, I always like the the overlapping of the postables with whatever dead letter, you know, there's always the parallel of what's going on. I love that everything means something, you know, and Gary and I are new to it. So I just feel like there's always, Nicole, you know, a lot of the nuggets, and I know so many postables do that, you know, there's nuances that we don't catch maybe the first time that we have to watch the second or third time. And I just love that too, because it's like watching it fresh. I mean, you know what's going to happen, but you might notice something else. And every single song of Gabe's in this episode related to what was going on in the scene. Every single one.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah you know, he's he's a great artist. Is he is he actually an artist? And oh, that's so cool. Tab Moe was actually just here in Charleston. Was he really? About a week and a half ago or so. Oh wow. That's so cool. That is so cool. So get tickets.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, but he's been here a couple times. Maybe next time he comes home.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, that's so great. That's so great. So so yeah, that would be there's always, you know, a whole bag full of cheers from me for every episode.

SPEAKER_03

But yeah, that sounds like I have a couple more thoughts for this segment.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03

So I also loved, of course, I loved everyone's character develop development in this movie, but Shane's as well really impressed me. She was really tested in this movie, you know, especially after being taken on that secret assignment with her ex Steve. And I think it just showed I think her return to the DLO symbolized her commitment to a team and her deepening love for Oliver. So I you know, I love how her arc was in this movie. I thought it ended in such a great way. Um and showed, you know, she is totally over Steve, like she told Oliver before. Um, also, not character development, but I loved the balance of romance, comedy, depth, mystery. I thought that Martha and Brandy did a great job with that. And there was one comedic moment that I did not mention in the last segment that just makes me laugh out loud every single time. And every single time I live tweet this movie, I use this GIF for this exact every time. And it's the one when they're in the DLO and I think they're trying to find Patty in her uh restaurant, right? And Norman is saying it was just a misunderstanding. May and cleared in Runaway Penguin Escapade. I was the unidentified and I used a penguin gift every time I loved me.

SPEAKER_00

That was really funny. I forgot he said that. Yeah, that was you penguin. Maybe it's just a misunderstanding.

SPEAKER_03

And then overall themes, I think I really loved hope and resilience in the wake of tragedy. Yeah, the power of love and never giving up. You know, we hear Ramon and Norman too, in a way, say that true love never gives up. That was one of my favorite quotes in this movie. Uh faith and connection, dedication to duty, which we saw with Shane, you know, serving her country in a way. Yeah.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, she was, yeah. I mean, well, allegedly, you know, Steve kept her. Well, she did for a while, and then Steve, you know.

SPEAKER_03

Also, a good one was not wasting time. And that I think can be shown with all of the characters, Gabe and Hattie, Oliver and Shane, Norman and Rita. And I took away that lesson, especially from Gabe's letter that we hear in the beginning of the movie, when he says, I tried everything I could to get back to you, but I couldn't even get close. I lost my home, I lost my toolbox, I lost everything. But my only regret is waiting too long to tell you how I feel. I kept thinking I had tomorrow.

SPEAKER_00

That's that's a profound life lesson in general. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Say what you feel because you never know.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You never know what you're doing.

SPEAKER_03

I think a thing that is what in through every episode is divine timing and purpose.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. We like to call them what God wings and a lot of things.

SPEAKER_03

Also, direction from Kevin Fair, cinematography from Adam Tholinsky, and then editing by Tony Dean Smith, and music from James Jandrish. Like the instrumental score, I think, was great.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That's like you said, a masterclass. Yeah. There were a lot of cinematic, like cinematography shots that were just fantastic in this movie. One was Shane was already on her overseas mission, and it was towards the end of the movie. And it's the scene when Oliver moves Shane's desk. Right. And right before you see him move Shane's desk, there's a shot of him through the Paris box. I don't know if y'all caught that. Oh, how to yeah. Yeah. And then the shot in the DLO scene at the end, the way that the camera turned, like did the 360 turn when Oliver's looking like a big thing.

SPEAKER_00

When it's the two of them right when they're kissing, or oh when yes, yes. That was great.

SPEAKER_01

So that's all my thoughts were. No, that's great. That's good. I think I'm one and on, but I won't.

unknown

Oh.

SPEAKER_00

Did you have any any what we're gonna call mailbag misses, any jeers for this particular movie?

SPEAKER_03

I did have jeers, not necessarily plot holes, but there was one thing that made me question, maybe, or you know, question something in the storyline, but not necessarily a plot hole. Right. Um when Oliver and Shane are on their walk after their date, he says, You did quit the DLO more than twice. I thought it was only once. Or or I thought it was only twice because we see her quit in the pilot movie, and then we see her quit at the end of From Paris with Love. I don't remember another time.

SPEAKER_00

So because he says he said more than did he say more than twice? More than twice. Yeah, I didn't catch that. I don't know. I've always that's always what yeah, more than twice. Was there another time that we know somebody will be able to answer that? Right. You know that, right? When we put this out there, somebody somewhere, and if you can't answer it, I don't know who can, honestly, because more than twice. Was there another time maybe she threatened but then didn't? I'm trying to I don't know.

SPEAKER_02

I was I've always wondered about that.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's a really good that's a really good question.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, not a not a plot hole or editing problem or pacing problem, but Joe's snarkiness in that one scene really bogged me when he's like, um what is it he says? What if Mr. Secure National Security isn't interested in releasing her and then he says one kiss doesn't make a contract. Uh no no no no no no no no.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, that's right, that's right. He does say that. Uh One Kiss does make a contract with Oliver and Shane.

SPEAKER_00

They sealed that. Hello, sign, seal, deliver.

SPEAKER_03

And then Steve, I think we both, or I think all of us probably have Steve as a jeer. Um, how low he went with the insults in that last scene with Shane.

SPEAKER_00

I know. I he's yeah, and I just think with him, you know, for me, a jeer or malebegmas a jeer would be um just that he showed up like that and was like, let's go. And I'm like, excuse you. You know, like I know you're you know, fancy pants in the government or whatever and top secret, but Mr. Merrick, what you can just tell somebody they have to go and then she's gotta go? Like, I didn't understand that. You know, it's the only thing.

SPEAKER_03

I was like, wait a minute, what when he says, Do you really think um what was it? What was the line? Do you really think solving dead letters is important as the work we do every day here? And I'm like, excuse me, you're changing lives every day, Mr.

SPEAKER_01

Mary.

SPEAKER_00

They are changing lives with those, right?

SPEAKER_03

And then he went so low as to mention, do you really want to give that all up for a squeaky porch swing in Denver? Um, right, yes, yes, yes, he does.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, yep, 100%.

SPEAKER_00

I agree, I agree, Steve. Go on, Steve, although he's really good.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, what's his name? Um Mark Valley is a fan of the street. Yes, Mark Valley. Yeah, he's he's he's really good as Steve, you know, like because you're like, oh he just gnaws at you a little bit, you know. You're like, what?

SPEAKER_03

It almost makes us kind of feel sorry for him. Almost. No, no, no, no, no. I don't know. No. Um but I think if I remember correctly, I heard that Mark Valley actually did serve in the military. I think he fought in Desert Storm. Oh, that's that's fantastic. From what I if I remember correctly, I think.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we're not talking about him personally. We just don't like the Steve. He's he's a great guy. Great. Yeah. Um well, but that's great that he yeah, I didn't know that about him. Wow.

SPEAKER_03

I'm not gonna lie, even though I don't like Steve, I kind of would like to see him show up again.

SPEAKER_00

Well, he's kind of a good, yeah. He gives that not nemesis, but sort of, you know what I mean? Like he he's good, he's good in that role. He would be good. Yeah, I mean, I hope we get another movie for him to show up in, right?

SPEAKER_03

See him see a married Oliver and Shane, like, you missed your chance, dude.

SPEAKER_00

That's right, and with a baby, with a baby, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my god. Like he totally missed out. Yeah, for sure. Oh gosh. What about you, Gary? You have any mail bagnesses in this one for you?

SPEAKER_05

Or I just I just thought it was funny that Joe, um it seemed like he was kind of in competition with Oliver in Oliver, and that's what yeah, you know, and when he was in the garden and he was talking about uh he was gonna move faster than Oliver and getting a kiss and stuff like that. I just but then near the end, he's like, Yeah, she left me for a fertilizer guy, you know. So he kinda, you know, it's not all about rushing and getting there as quick as you can. It's about that journey and taking your time and getting to know somebody. And I just thought he got a big piece of humble pie at the end.

SPEAKER_00

Well, he did because he was kind of bragging, like, look how fast I move. Yes, yes. Like, I don't I don't take my time, Oliver, you know.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. I do love how Joe's advice to Oliver in that one scene in the DLO came back around when Joe said, you know, next time you get a chance to kiss Shane, take your time. He took his time.

SPEAKER_00

He took his time. He took the advice and the time.

SPEAKER_04

Yes, indeed.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, that is.

SPEAKER_00

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_05

That was a kiss of all kids.

SPEAKER_00

I'm so glad. I'm so glad we got the um, you know, the Rita and Norman engagement in this one, and we got Oliver and Shane closer. So I I don't know exactly what movie they end up getting engaged in, but I'm really curious how that's gonna go down now. You don't have much longer to go. Okay, good, okay, good. Um, but yeah, so I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03

So the I I think that the Shalliver, that's their I was gonna ask you.

SPEAKER_00

Do they have okay, so Shalliver, okay. I wondered if your proposal will make you cry too.

SPEAKER_03

Just like it will.

SPEAKER_00

The the next one?

SPEAKER_03

Uh no, Oliver and Shane's proposal. Oh, to Shane will make you cry. Will make us cry. Oh, I can't wait. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_00

I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03

I have to cry, not to cry, but to see them get engaged. I am so thankful that I didn't have to wait too much. Like that I didn't have to wait too long. Right. To watch it, to watch their engagement. Yeah, well, I didn't I'm so glad that I didn't have to wait as long as some of the other postables did for their engagement. Like I just binged the song for the wedding either. Like I became a postable February 2021, and then the movie that they got married in was that October.

SPEAKER_00

So it was right there.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That's the beauty of binging sometimes.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

All right. So let's let's rate this episode. I probably don't even have to ask this. Um whatever the top number is, is what we're all going for, I'm sure. So out of five stamps, how many stamps would you give it, Nicole? Ten. Ten. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Hey, that was my line. I was gonna say same.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah, I'll give it 20. No, I I agree. I agree. Definitely, definitely, definitely so, so good. They're all just so enjoyable. But yes, a five slash ten. Yes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Definitely.

SPEAKER_00

What about you, Gary?

SPEAKER_05

Um, you know, when you have a letter and you're not sure how many stamps it's gonna take, so you just put a whole bunch of them on there.

SPEAKER_00

So you're just gonna put a roll on there.

SPEAKER_05

I'm just gonna put a roll of stamps on it.

SPEAKER_00

You're just gonna keep putting them on there to make sure it's covered. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, it's five, five, five, five, five. Definitely a five for me.

SPEAKER_00

Oh god.

SPEAKER_05

They've all been a five. But this one, I think this one so far is probably my second best movie. Your second?

SPEAKER_00

What's your first one? I don't even know.

SPEAKER_05

I'm not gonna say you're gonna have to wait until we finish.

SPEAKER_00

And I'm gonna I'm gonna Oh, oh, excuse you. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

What about you, Nicole? Do you have, do you have I know, I know they're all really, really good, but do you do you have a top? Like, is this one your top? I do have a top three. Favorite in no particular order.

SPEAKER_03

So in no particular order. My top three is higher ground, to the altar. Oh my gosh. Y'all haven't watched that one yet. No, um and then sometimes it changes. Oh it just depends. Trying to think. Um for now, I'll just say the impossible dream because I love a good meal of time.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, that one is so good. That's my dad's favorite. Yes.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And when they sing the impossible, oh yeah. So so good. But I love them all for so many reasons. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

And and you gave it a five. All right.

SPEAKER_00

So Nick, I yes, I said five slash ten. Or maybe I'll roll out the stamps like you are and just keep going. All three of us, I think, will just keep putting stamps on there. Um, all right, Nicole, tell our listeners where they can find you on social media.

SPEAKER_03

You can find me on Instagram at Swing My Heart Podcast. That is swing like a porch swing. And then on Instagram, and then on Twitter, excuse me, it's swing my heart pod. And then threads, it's swing my heart podcast, which is of course connected to Instagram, and then Facebook, swing my heart podcast, and YouTube, swing my heart podcast, and then did I say Facebook? Yes, yeah, and then Spotify, Swing My Heart Podcast. And Spotify. Perfect. Perfect.

SPEAKER_05

Awesome. Well, we'd like to thank you so much for joining us, Nicole. Yes, Nicole.

SPEAKER_00

Thank you for being here. We're so excited.

SPEAKER_01

And I hope you're gonna come back on.

SPEAKER_00

You are gonna come back on. We are gonna have to do, we'll do another collab for sure.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, for sure. Yes coming up. It's gonna be so much fun. I was gonna say something else. What was I gonna say? I forgot what I was gonna say. Oh, that's all right.

SPEAKER_00

We'll save it for the next collab. Hold on to that. Hold on to that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, hold that up.

SPEAKER_00

All right, make sure you follow us and swing my heart podcast wherever you get your podcast and on social media so you don't miss a thing. Until next time. Cheers.