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Garry and Amy are saddling up and heading to Churchill Downs in Louisville, Kentucky! In this episode of Pour The Wine, It’s Rom-Com Time, they dive into Hallmark’s Kentucky Roses, sharing why this cozy, charming romance caught them off guard in the best way.

The story follows Sadie (Odette Annable), a greenhouse worker with dreams of becoming a florist, and Ash (Andrew Walker), the son of a racetrack CEO who returns home to help restore things before the big race. Though they come from very different worlds, Sadie and Ash work together to preserve a beloved Derby tradition. From a spark-filled meet-cute, complete with literal fireworks, to the discovery of a hidden love story tied to their ancestors, this tale of timing and tradition will have you racing to the finish.

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June Passport To Love Preview

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Oh, well, we got a lineup for our Passport to Love. Yes, that's returning in June. It's really exciting. We'll go into more detail when we do our actual preview of the Passport to Love movies, but it's really exciting to see, you know, we're gonna see Nikki DeLoche, we're gonna see Brendan Penny, Heather Hemons, um, Lindsay Fonseca. And it's really cool. Brendan Elliott is returning to our screens after, you know, it's been um, I think a little more than a year since his wife passed away.

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Right.

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So it's really good to see him back on our screens. It's gonna be great. I think June, I think we're in for a really good lineup in June. I'm kind of excited about it after we saw the list.

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Yeah, I agree. And, you know, a lot of things have been going on, and to come back after a year off, I think he's gonna be yeah, I think he's gonna be yeah, we're still praying for him and his kids, and uh, you know, time moves on, but grief doesn't always, so nope, yeah, yeah.

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But it's good. I'm I'm glad he's gonna be back on our screens.

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Me too.

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In June.

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In June.

Kentucky Roses Cast And Setup

SPEAKER_03

All right, so today we're going to be reviewing the first May for Moms movie of 2026, Kentucky Roses. It originally aired on the Hallmark channel on Saturday, May 2nd, 2026. And something else happened that day, which we'll talk about in a little bit. And this one stars Andrew Walker and Odette Annable.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Now, Andrew, you know, maybe we know him a little bit. He's got a few, a few Hallmark movies under his belt. I mean, you know, he actually starred in four movies in 2025. She's making a list, three uh wisest men, adventures in love and burning, and the reluctant royal.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Of course, he made a guest appearance also in Holiday Touchdown, a Bill's Love Story. So I guess five, make it that five movies in 2025.

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Tyler both did. Oh, buddy.

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Oh, yeah, that's right.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And this is Odette's homework debut, which is very exciting. We have a few things to say about her.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we do.

SPEAKER_03

Spoiler alert, all positive. And you know, when I was checking out her IMTV, she does, she's, you know, been an actress for a while, and she's been in several series that you and I have watched: House, Brothers and Sisters, and a series that we really liked called The Grinder. Now, the Grindr doesn't didn't mean then what it means today. The grinder.

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It's not a website. It's not an app.

SPEAKER_03

It's not an app. Um, The Grinder, it was so funny. It's with Rob Lowe and um who else was in it? Fred Savage. Yeah, we thought that it was. I really enjoyed that. I think Timothy Oliphant is in it. It's just it was a really funny comedy series. It didn't last, I think maybe but a couple seasons, but she was in that one. So anyhow, we also have a really great supporting cast in this one. Now we just finished watching the entire canon of Gilmore Girls, yes, right? We just recently, and we're gonna do a little brief podcast about that, but um, for the first time, we never watched it. So Greg Henry has been in a ton of things, but we know him most recently as Mitchum Huntsberger from Gilmore Girls. That's what we saw him, and we're both like, that's Logan's dad.

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And it started off with him playing the same type character.

SPEAKER_03

Well, a little bit, a little bit. We'll get into that. But he plays, he plays now. Um Andrew Walker plays Ash, so he plays Ash's dad here. And Odette is she plays Sadie in the movie. Right. I should have said that. All right, moving on. Peyton Meyer is Lefty, and Allie Ledford is Gloria, and those are the two characters from 1932.

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Right.

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Brynn Thayer is Lily Taylor Reed, she plays Andrew Walker's mom. Uh Abigail Esmena is Camilla, and she is Odette's best friend, and I'm using their actor names, not their character names.

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Anna Anna Horse.

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Anna Horse.

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Anna Trainer.

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And a horse trainer, yes. That's true, that's true. Annie Fitzpatrick is Anna, and she plays um Odette's mom in this.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, she sure did. So this was directed by Claire Niederproum. She has several Hallmark directing credits, including a Grand Old Opera Christmas, Villa Omore, The Royal We, and A Royal Corgi Christmas. Yes. Jamie's written several other Hallmark movies: Long Lost Christmas, The Secrets of Bella Vista, Five More Minutes, and The Twelfth Date of Christmas. Just to name a few. And I also noticed that she wrote an episode of All's Fair, which it was it was it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, we liked it. That's the Ryan Murphy show.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, Ryan Murphy. It stars uh Glenn Close, um Kim Kardashian, uh Nisi Nash, and Naomi Watts.

SPEAKER_03

Naomi Watts, yeah, we liked it. Yeah, it's kind of campy, but we enjoyed it.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So if you haven't seen it, go out there and watch it. Binge it.

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It's Ryan Murphy for sure. Yeah, it is. So if you like his series, yeah, we we enjoyed it. We hope it's coming back.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So time to drop the snobs.

SPEAKER_03

Alrighty. A greenhouse worker and the son of Churchill Down CEO form an unlikely pair coming together to save the Kentucky Derby rose blanket and uncovering a generational love story along the way.

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What a love story. One for the generations.

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Okay.

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And this is the part of the podcast where we're going to tell you, we're probably going to drop some spoilers. So if you haven't seen the movie yet, I suggest you pause our podcast, go watch it, come back, and let us know what you think. Yeah.

Derby Day Parallels And Fun Facts

SPEAKER_03

All right. So before we dive into it, let's talk about the Kentucky Derby. The Kentucky Derby happened on the same day that this movie aired. It happened just prior to this movie airing. It of course was the 152nd Kentucky Derby on May 2nd, 2026. And Golden Tempo won the Derby. And his trainer, Cherie DuVo, I think, she is the first female trainer to ever win the Derby.

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Yeah. And she was from post-19.

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Post-19, very close.

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So there was 19.

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And then you watch the movie, and there's a lot of similarities. Oh my goodness. Life imitating art, art imitating life. I'm not sure. Of course, they had filmed this before, and then we saw the derby, and then well, we didn't watch it live. We saw clips after. And then we watched the movie Saturday night. And then it was just it's crazy how similar the movie ended up being. Even the horse race itself is similar.

SPEAKER_01

It was crazy similar.

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Yes, yes.

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Oh my goodness.

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Golden Tempo was in last place and came around the bend and put the you know the pedal to the metal and then ended up winning. So if you haven't seen it yet, go look up. I mean, we're not really, I don't think I've ever actually watched the Derby Live. I I'm really intrigued by it now, especially after watching this movie. But um, it's some pretty exciting stuff, right? They say it's the best two minutes in sports, yeah, or the greatest two minutes.

SPEAKER_01

Crazy. Yeah, and and what the the only difference was she won by the hair of the horses, chinny chin chin. Golden tempo did, yeah. Where in the movie he's you know, uh, was it Angel Face? Sprinted way ahead. So that was the only difference, but everything else was pretty pretty similar, yep, yep, yep, lots of similarities.

SPEAKER_03

So congratulations to Golden Tempo, and of course to Cherie DeVoe, who is the first female trainer, that is a huge accomplishment. And I saw something where she said something like, you know, I'm a horse trainer who just happens to be female. And I was like, Rock on, girl, rock on. It's pretty cool. Girl power, girl power. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But uh some other interesting facts is post-7 post-17, which in the movie uh Angel Face was in, has yet to win a race. Like for real, for real? For real, for real. Oh, okay. In real life, over 40 years. So and only three finishes in the top three, which they call hitting the board. Oh, isn't that crazy? Okay, all these years, 40 years, and not one person, it's the only slot that hasn't won yet.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, that is that's crazy.

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That is crazy.

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Well, every year we should start betting on that slot now. Right, because it's bound to happen, and we might make lots of money.

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I think it was 50 to 1 in that slot. So this year? Yeah. Oh my god. I think it was 50 to 1. Wow. So man, you win that one. You put some duckies down. Um, post five has the most wins, and it's 10.

SPEAKER_03

So oh, so that explains why in the movie, which we'll talk about a little bit, why she's a little bit upset about the post. I didn't even know they were called posts. The where they are. I didn't even realize that. So that's how little I know about the Kentucky. I know the hats about it. And it's a horse race.

First Impressions And Production Value

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The parties, the parties, the win Wednesdays, the Wednesday, Wednesday. Okay, that's hard to say. But there's a lot of other great facts, but we'll get to them after. All right, so what did you think?

SPEAKER_03

You want me to go first? I'll go first. Yeah, go first. You go first.

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I'm gonna have a sip of wine.

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Sip some wine. Okay. This movie, let me just say this first. This is the spring version of a Built More Christmas.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

This movie, and Built More Christmas is our favorite, probably our favorite Hallmark Christmas movie. This movie would have been fantastic in the theater. It could have been in the theater. The production value I thought was off the chain. It was so sweet. I loved the composed music in this and the songs.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Throughout the entire movie.

SPEAKER_03

I the music was so good and so moving, and just oh my gosh. I just, I, I just the music. So I had to look up. We don't always talk about the composer or the you know, costume designer, but the composer here was Anne Katherine Dern. And she's composed a few other films: The Perfect Setting, Paging Mr. Darcy, Aider Heidelberg Holiday. And you know, music can really, along with other things, but it can really make or break a film. And I think that this one, I mean, if you didn't watch any Hallmark movies, watch this one.

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Right.

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If you don't normally watch Hallmark movies or you think they're whatever, you know, they have a reputation, sort of, but um, but this one is movie production value, like movie theater production value, I think. And I just I loved it from start to finish. I thought Andrew Walker was phenomenal. I mean, we think one of his he was at in at his best in adventures in love and birding, not at his best, but it just really showcased him in a way. You know, we've seen him be, you know, kind of funny and quirky in some of the other movies, but this was, and I know he's done a lot of other movies also, but we really thought, you know, for his films, Adventures and Birding, but this one he was so good in. Really good, really good. And Odette for her first Hallmark film, I thought just knocked it out of the park. I just, I really, really loved it.

SPEAKER_01

She took this role and made it her own.

SPEAKER_03

The story was great, the production was great, the direction was great, the sound was great. I felt like we were in the theater watching a movie. And that says a lot, you know, and that just shows that Hallmark can do it. They can do it. Yes, they can. You don't need the quirky music. You just don't. This was so good. I can't even, I can't even express how much I loved the the composed music in this in this film. I just thought it was lovely and the story.

SPEAKER_01

It really draws you into that scene. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, and the, you know, it was sweet, it was funny, it was it was cute, it was it was just all that is about family, about family business. It was just the whole thing worked for me. What about you?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it was enjoyable, it was cozy, and I think the Andrew W. Walker fans out there and derby fans are gonna really enjoy this movie.

SPEAKER_03

No, that's a really good point.

SPEAKER_01

I they I really think they're gonna enjoy this one.

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Yeah, if you really are a fan of the Kentucky Derby, that's an excellent point. I I really believe you will really love this movie also because I feel like they honored the Derby really well.

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Right.

SPEAKER_03

Down to the blanket, the traditions, you know, and yeah, they're not gonna they can't possibly touch on everything or you know, and there might be some little minor things, but I think they really tried to stick to um the history and the traditions of it all in the movie. And I, yeah, they really nailed it.

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But uh, this is definitely a uh movie that we would watch again.

SPEAKER_03

For sure.

SPEAKER_01

I mean I love the two time periods, how they layered those two together. It really see that that made it that drew me in because it almost gave you that the way home type vibe. It's got two couple time frames going on. Um, I felt like I was emotionally invested in the movie right from the beginning. Enjoyed that opening. I thought it was really, really good. Um and I think their circumstances, both of them actually, are very relatable. Yeah. You know, not everybody wants to take over the family business, but hey, you know, you want to make that name for yourself, and you don't want to be in the shadows. And I get it. Yeah, I get it, man. So yeah, I love the movie. Yeah. There you go.

SPEAKER_03

Same, same, same, same, same. And you know, it's interesting because we had we had learned that you know, there was gonna be a 1932 aspect in the movie, and we weren't sure how they were gonna do it. And I honestly thought we were gonna get more of it, but it turns out it was just enough for the story. I mean, I really I thought there was gonna be more back and forth that just my, you know, what I thought in my brain, like my expectation was. And but it ended up working out beautifully the way it was woven into the storyline.

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Yeah. So I agree.

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Yeah, it was just the right amount, just the right amount.

Fireworks Meet Cute And Rankings

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All right. So let's get into that meat cue.

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You want to talk about just dive right into the meat cues.

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Just dive right into which shelf level is this one going to be at or land on? So we do top shelf, top shelf, media, middle shelf, and lower shelf.

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Do you want to go with our rank ranking first or do you want to talk about it first?

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Let's talk about it and it won't rank.

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Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03

So Sadie, it's evening time, and Sadie has to head to the um the winner circle to check out the horseshoe of flowers, right? Because um there was a bad storm that came through and it did all kinds of damage to it. The the building, the spires, which again didn't know anything about spires before this film, had no idea. Um, so she has to check out the the horseshoe of flowers to to kind of see if what they need to do to fix it because she and her mom run the greenhouse at Churchill Downs. So in the meantime, she's at the flowers and Andrew Walker's character Ash, he's going to Churchill Downs. He's been recalled from Cincinnati from the natty. Summoned. He's been summoned. Yeah, he's been summoned um by his dad to come and help do the construction aspect of what the storm has damaged at Churchill Downs. And he is pulling up and he gets out. I I don't know the reason why he gets out there, but it's neither here nor there.

SPEAKER_01

But it was the closest place to park to the fence, the gate.

SPEAKER_03

So oh, okay, I guess. So what's cute is Sadie is talking to the flowers and she's like, Wow, you had a rough night, and he's behind her, and she doesn't know he's behind her, and he's like, How'd you know? You know, and then he kind of startles her, and then she stands up and they just have like a brief conversation. He tells her he's a builder that and he's gonna fix the spire. And you know, he's he asks her if she's a looter, but he's saying it like in jest.

SPEAKER_01

He's not really in a in a fun kind of way, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And then he jokes about stealing the flowers and all this, and then and then, you know, she so and then literal fireworks go off. Like during their meat cute, literal fireworks go off. And um, what do they call that? The thunder over Louisville, Louisville, yeah, something like that, yeah. Yeah, Louisville, gotta pronounce that correctly, and they did a really good job in this. Louisville. Not Louisville. So I actually I I mean, if you have literal fireworks go off in a meat cute, I mean, that's gotta be a top shelf, right?

SPEAKER_01

Yes.

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What do you think?

SPEAKER_01

Um I too, I I found it enjoyable because it it seemed natural when she was talking to the flowers. Yes, you can just picture, because people do do that. People talk to the flowers, and supposedly it's supposed to help them grow. So that's interesting to me.

SPEAKER_03

We need to do that around here, you know.

SPEAKER_01

But I you know what kind of vibe I got off of that whole scene was pretty woman. Because as they were talking and those fireworks went off, she kind of jumped like she really wasn't expecting that. Like in um pretty woman.

SPEAKER_03

The necklace scene where he Yeah, where he shuts the lid on her and she's like, ooh, yeah, you know, which they say was actually um improvised.

SPEAKER_01

He did that on purpose, right? It was improvised. She wasn't expecting that. So it I kind of felt like that was one of those scenes.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

But he was out there too, just to look at the where all the shingles were blown off. And what I found interesting was, and I don't know if you caught it, is they couldn't find the drawings of the original, the original drawings for the building. So that was a one thing that he had going against him.

SPEAKER_03

I don't I don't think I registered registered that initially. Oh, okay. Or I missed it. Yeah, which is not surprising, but yes, totally worked. Top shelf. I'm here for it.

SPEAKER_01

Top shelf for me.

SPEAKER_03

It was great. And that's why I said, Odette is so great in this movie. Oh my gosh. Okay.

Favorite Scenes And Character Moments

SPEAKER_01

All right. Well, let's get into some favorite scenes. So let's do uh a couple of those.

SPEAKER_03

Just a couple of those, couple of those. Just a couple. The whole thing really, it's so hard in a movie like this because it just the flow, the pacing was so good. Like I really just soaked in all of the moments, you know. So it's hard. You know, I'll I'll talk about a few favorite scenes, but really, truly, genuinely, there were very few. There, there's one thing I might point out later as a jer, but it's a minor thing. So um I guess I really enjoyed the scene between Ash and his mom in the stable.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So Ash has had an argument kind of with his dad a little bit, and you can tell they have this history of not getting along, you know, and and she's trying to bring the two of them back together. And it's interesting because uh what I liked about this storyline was that they're not like mortal enemies. You can tell, I mean, his dad isn't like this awful person, hasn't been this awful person to him. He's just wanted him to succeed and maybe viewed his life going a little differently or working, you know, for profit instead of for nonprofit.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Yeah. So so, and she's kind of, you know, they just have this genuine conversation. And he's resistant to his mom at first because she's like, just because his dad has asked him to fix Churchill Downs, and he of course says no right away. And his mom's like, just do it for him. It's his way of saying, you know, he wants to be a part of your life, he wants to see you more. Like he's this is his language.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And he believes it. You.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. And he believes in you and and he loves you, you know. And he's like, Well, if you really want me to, I will. And he he's kind of like, Okay, you know, and then he gives her a hug. And I just thought it was such a great, I just thought it was a a great moment in the film. And it's at the state, it's not at Churchill Downs, it's at their family farm, you know, near the stables, and the horses are nearby. So I just I liked that. And I really liked the actress, you know, who played his mom.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Who we have seen before in um suits, but Brynn Thayer. I I really enjoyed her also. So that that would be one of them. What about you?

SPEAKER_01

Um the scene right after they meet cute where they're both uh at a bar. Yes, I have that one on.

SPEAKER_03

I'm glad you're talking about it because it won't take one of mine. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_01

So so Shep is with um our Ash is with Shep, right?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, is that the friend? Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that's the friend. And he's played by Mark uh Mazingo.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

And uh Sadie is with Camilla. And they're they're both telling Shep and Camilla about the night before. And they were like, Really? Fireworks went off. And it was just so funny and so cute. And they see each other. And it's kind of funny because uh both Shep and Camilla are like, well, go talk to them, you know. And they were like, I don't know, I don't know. So actually, Andrew Walker ends up walking over. And the one line that I thought was so funny is he asked Sadie, does she dance? And she's like, nah. And he's like, Neither do I. And then he goes, Do you drink? And she's like, Yeah, let's go.

SPEAKER_03

It was really cute. It was right before that moment when he asked her about dancing, he's like, What are you doing? And she's like, Oh, you know, just hanging around. Like she's nervous a little bit. It was so kidding, right? She's kidding. And then she says, Absolutely not about dancing.

SPEAKER_01

That was so cute. But when she said drink, they were like, Yeah, I can do that. So I so that was one of my favorite scenes.

SPEAKER_03

It was really cute. And then they kind of they're flirty during that moment, right? They have a you know, like they get into more serious conversation while they're having that drink. And and then I love I love the part where they're getting ready to part ways, and they have they hadn't gotten each other's names prior to that when they met each other.

SPEAKER_01

No, right? And the movie where they didn't get the digits, right?

SPEAKER_03

And then he's like, before you go, and she turns around and she said, Sadie Moore, you know, like she's she's like, here's my name, it's Sadie Moore. You know, it's just so he didn't even get to finish the scene. So cute. Yeah, I love that too. I agree. I approve your favorite scene because it was one of mine, also.

SPEAKER_00

Awesome. I'm glad you did.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_00

So what was another one?

Two Versions Of The 1932 Story

SPEAKER_03

Um, oh gosh. Uh I really enjoyed when Sadie is talking to, you know, her mom and her best friend.

SPEAKER_02

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03

And they reference her great-grandmother Gigi, which I never put together, Gloria Green, until duh, you know, because that's how I never get any of this stuff until it's too late. So I just, I really enjoyed how they um how this scene played out because you have her a whole lot of the stories happen, which we're not going to rehash, you know, we want you to go watch it. But so we have her talking to her mom, and her mom is kind of they're going over the history, right, of her great-grandmother of Gloria, and you see that Gloria was um her and uh Lefty in 1932. They're by a well.

SPEAKER_01

Whose real name is Charlie in the movie, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, his his character name is Lefty slash Charlie. But um, you see them by a well, and you have seen that well earlier with Ash and Sadie, right? And so so um Sadie's mom is telling her the story, and and in 1932, we see that Charlie has planted this uh, what is it called? A climbing rose. Right, right, and it's something that Sadie had noticed when and it's on um Ash's farm. And at the same time, this scene is going on where Sadie's talking to her mom and her best friend, and they're talking about Gloria and Charlie in the past, and they're in the pasture, and it's the climbing rose. And then at the same time, Ash's mom is telling him the same story, only she's framing Gloria as a gold digger. Right, right. And that, you know, and then and then you kind of see where we go back to um Sadie's mom telling the story, and you know, you learn that Charlie planted the roses in a horseshoe when he was going to propose to Gloria, right? He he made sure they were planted. Now, this is the fictional part. I don't believe that that's actually why it's like that, if it's like that at Churchill Downs. But um, you know, and Gloria works in the greenhouse, and and then you find out his family didn't want him to marry her because she was more of a commoner. But Ash's mom frames it as she was a gold digger. So now you have two different stories about what happened in 1932. And I just thought the way that that scene, the pacing of that scene, the way it flowed, the way it went in between the present day and the past, and between Ash and Sadie, I thought was really, really well done.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and and Charlie slash lefty planted the the roses to give her roots, to give Gigi roots. And that's what he told her. And I thought that was cute. Yeah, I thought it was very romantic. So that was a really good scene. That was one of my favorites. So you take that one too.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, there you go. Now you can do another one. Do you have any more?

The Letter, The Drawings, The Truth

SPEAKER_01

Um, let me see. Because I had those highlighted. Um, that that whole scene where um now in this show, and this we'll talk about it later. Okay, but I love that whole scene where so uh Ash and Sadie had a fight, and they're both in there, uh I think Ash is up in the tower, and Sadie's at home, and she's looking through a photo album of Gigi, and she starts to feel feel the picture because you know she she's got it, she feels like she's gotten somewhere in life, and she picks the picture out and there's a letter, and it's a letter from Charlie.

SPEAKER_03

What do you mean she's gotten somewhere in life?

SPEAKER_01

What I is that when she got the job? I can't remember. She because she was talking about everything I've done, it's because of you, or something like that. Oh maybe. She was thanking her mother. And I can't remember when she actually got her.

SPEAKER_03

You're talking about Sadie.

SPEAKER_01

Sadie, yes.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01

And I thought that that scene, it was kind of like when Ash's mom and Sadie's mom were telling the story about Gigi. They were reading Ash and and um Sadie were actually kind of living that that life. It was like a parallel to Yeah, it was like a parallel because she found the letter that Charlie had written Gigi, and come to find out she did give the necklace back, and she did give uh the ring back. And then um Ash accidentally finds like the little trapdoor type thing.

SPEAKER_03

Where he is at the same time. Right, you have two different again, you have like the two scenes going on, right?

SPEAKER_01

Going on back and forth, switching back and forth. And I thought it was really cool because those were the drawings that were missing, and in those drawings that fell out on the floor was the handkerchief that s uh Gigi had put the necklace and the ring in when she gave it back to Charlie or Lefty.

SPEAKER_03

And that's when he realizes that Gloria was not a gold digger. That's when Ash realizes his his great uncle's first fiance was not a gold digger, right? And that because she did, because that was the whole thing, where is the necklace? Where is the ring?

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_03

She took it, you know, or whatever.

SPEAKER_01

So and I get both sides of that.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, right, you know, and like you said, and then Sadie's reading the letter that her great-grandmother had received from Charlie in 1932. Um, and it the letter is really good. Just, you know, if I were another kind of man in another time in another life, we could have been.

SPEAKER_01

And I was like, the music that was playing while she was reading it.

SPEAKER_03

That gave me chills, man. How many times, you know, just sort of miss each other, or it's just not right, or the timing was off.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You know, the way things were back then. I just I loved that. And then and then when they call, does she call him?

SPEAKER_01

She calls him and he's getting ready to call her. Yes. But they talk to each other and they're like, come here to meet me.

SPEAKER_03

Well, well, I think he's he's like, I have something for you. And she goes, I have something for you. You know, she's all excited in that same scene. So that would, yeah, that was another really, really great scene.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. So you have any more?

The Kiss And The Rose Garland

SPEAKER_03

Um, okay, can we just talk about the kiss for a minute? So they meet, right? They meet and um they tell each other what they found out, right?

SPEAKER_02

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

That, you know, her great grandmother wasn't a gold digger, and you know, his great or and his great uncle really loved her, and you know, whatever. Right. And and then they and then the kiss. Oh my. Now we usually don't we don't talk too much about the kisses because you know, it's hallmark, they're gonna kiss at the end or whatever. And this is towards the end, it's not the end of the movie. That kiss was fire. Andrew Walker and Odette Annabel. I mean, I was even like, holy crap.

SPEAKER_01

We're we're talking Phoenix fire. That thing rose from the ashes, it boiled up and the look on his face, and he grabbed her cheeks and it was like done.

SPEAKER_03

Now, our friends over at Forever Hallmark Christmas, they grade kisses. So I would be very curious if they if they well, they don't, they only they only um their podcast review, they do Christmas movies only. So go listen to them, go check them out, they're great. But if they were to grade this kiss, if it was anything less than an A, I would be very disappointed in them.

SPEAKER_01

If it's anything less than an A plus plus plus, both Rich and Renee would have to give it.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That I mean the the music books. Oh my god, the look in each other's eyes, uh and it was just like bam. It was God.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, I think I'd be a little jelly over there.

SPEAKER_03

I would be though. It was fine. Andrew Walker knows how to do it, I'm telling you. He really, really does. So it was really, really good. So that would be another favorite scene. And I don't, like I said, we don't really often talk about that, you know, the kissing scene just because it's usually it is what it is, but this one, pretty, pretty good.

SPEAKER_01

It was really good.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So I have one more. Okay, and that that was um, so Sadie didn't want to work for the greenhouse, she wanted to be a florist, right? So she goes work works for one of the you know well-respected florists in the in the area, and that's Delilah. And throughout the movie, Delilah is kind of this, you know, she's kind of a hard type person, um, but she kind of guides Sadie um in in her way to become who she needs to be, right? To kind of be, she was trying to find out who she is. And I thought it was so cute because uh apparently uh shipment of roses got stuck because of a flood, which were the roses for the gala uh blanket, right? The blanket they drape around the horse. And I thought it was so cute because Delilah's a little bit older, Sadie's a little bit younger, you know, social media, so they set up the phone and they do this little like TikTok type message for all to see because they needed roses. And I thought it was so cool how it all came together.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And she got Sadie got to sew the first rose on the garland blanket.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

That was that was so good.

SPEAKER_03

And then they show her great grandmother doing the same thing at the same time, sewing, sewing a rose.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it was so cool. And what's cool is in the middle is a crown of roses in the shape of a crown.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I didn't even know that. I didn't notice that. Oh duh. There's my unobservant.

SPEAKER_01

And that's and that's for the horse. It's in honor of the horse and the struggles that it took to get to that point.

SPEAKER_03

Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Wow. Very, very cool. Yeah, that was another good scene where you saw the past and the present. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01

Very, very well written.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

Derby Win And More Derby Details

SPEAKER_01

All right. So did you have any more?

SPEAKER_03

Um, no, you know, you have Derby Day, uh Sadie's best friend's horse, Angel Face wins. Her best friend is a female, and she is a female trainer, and her horse is coming in last. And he comes around the corner, like we said at the beginning, and wins the race. And what's so cool is Camilla, right? She's the best friend, the character named Camilla. And the uh Jockey is wearing a purple shirt with a crown on it.

SPEAKER_01

Hallmark.

SPEAKER_03

I'm like, well played, Hallmark. Well played, Hallmark.

SPEAKER_01

Hey, it was a collaboration, right?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, yeah, it was it was really, really good.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that was that was a good scene, too.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

You picked that out, you're like, well, we had to re rewind it because I wasn't sure. But say, oh yeah, look at that. It's purple and everything.

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Oh man. All right. So what about some cheers? Did you have any cheers?

SPEAKER_03

Uh no, I hated it. It's terrible as you can tell. I want to go back on my word. The whole thing. I just the story was just so beautifully done from start to finish, from the writing to the sound to the costume. I mean, the costuming was fantastic. Um, like I talked about the the composition of the music. I adored if they had a CD, I would buy it. No, I wouldn't because we don't have a CD player. But if they if they would drop a soundtrack, I would love that. Right. I would listen to, look, after I saw the movie, and this is dating myself, Glory, back in 89 or 90-ish, somewhere, right? Have you ever seen that? It is a fantastic movie, and it's about the Civil War. Denzel Washington is in it, Matthew Broderick is in it, Andre Brouwer. Yeah, fantastic cast. But when I went to see that movie, the music moved me so much. That was one of the first times I was like, you know, I really, I really got into you know sound and in movies and the songs that are in there and the composition and things. And I bought that CD and I listened to it, even the instrumentals, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_03

I would listen to this instrument. If they would put this on one of the, you know, Apple, Spotify, I don't know where we we have Apple music. So if they had a Hallmark soundtrack of their movies, that would be so amazing.

SPEAKER_01

Right.

SPEAKER_03

I would totally listen to this, even the instrumentals. I thought it was so good. Um, you know, I'm also I what I thought they did really, really well in this film too, is we didn't really dive too much into the history of Sadie and Ash. We we didn't have to hear about, I mean, they briefly touched on, yeah, I came home because my marriage didn't work, but we didn't, you know, there wasn't this long like I'm closed off to love and I'm never gonna love anybody again. And right, you know, I found somebody, but I'm too scared, you know, and same with like with like Ash, you know, it's like there was we didn't spend hardly any time on the past. They were just two grown-ups doing their thing, yep, you know, trying to be themselves and do something maybe similar to their family business, but a little bit different, maybe not the direction their parents wanted, but you know, so um I thought that was great. And I also really, really appreciated the just the traditions and history of the derby that we learned.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

You and I are not horse people. I mean, I took horseback riding lessons when I was, and I don't mean that in a bad way. I just mean we don't we don't ride horses, you know. We don't. I I took horseback riding lessons when I was a kid. Uh, you know, I like to see them when we're out, but I, you know, other than that, I don't have a lot of knowledge about them. I don't really know about the derby. I, as I've mentioned, you know, before, I I went to college in Kentucky. I've been to the farm where Secretariat is buried. Um, you know, and I've never been to the Derby. I've it's just never been something I was, you know, super interested in. But now I want to go to the Derby.

SPEAKER_01

That's how good.

SPEAKER_03

I want to go to the Derby next year.

SPEAKER_01

I want to dress up and wear a hat. Let's go.

SPEAKER_03

You know, I'm gonna contact my friends and be like, hey.

SPEAKER_01

Hook me up.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, I just, yeah. So it's it's all just all all positive vibes for me. What about you?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, me too. And cheers. I I just don't like I I don't know a lot about the Derby, so I kind of did some research. And I th it was interesting because the blanket can have up to 564 roses, so anywhere between 400 and 564. Um, the way they handle and discuss it, the the the uh the blanket was really close to tradition, and it's called the garland of roses, which they wrap around the horse that wins in the winner circle, and the jockey, the winning jockey, gets a bouquet of 60 roses.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01

Me either. Now, this garland thing is weighs up to 40 pounds. Oh my gosh, 122 inches long and 22 inches wide.

SPEAKER_03

Wow.

SPEAKER_01

Wow isn't that crazy?

SPEAKER_03

I just I think the film just paid so much respect to it. Yeah, it really really did. And you know, there are things like you you just said, I mean, I didn't know some of that stuff, and I didn't know that they grow, you know, they they get their roses mostly from South America or am I right, South America?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think of South America.

SPEAKER_03

I think, and um, I didn't know that. Yeah you know, they they source it out, and so I thought that was pretty interesting, and I think I believe that's true. Yeah, yeah, actually. So and Kroger is the biggest, the Kroger garden department is the one who sources the roses and supplies them to the Derby. Didn't know that. I didn't even know Krogers existed until I went to college in Kentucky. I grew up near Chicago, go Cubs, they're on a winning streak. Woo!

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, those roses are called freedom roses. So interesting.

SPEAKER_03

The roses are I can't think the roses are okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. So that that was and the way they draw which post position they get is they use these pill-shaped things, like up to 20, and they just pick it in whichever jockey gets drawn, that's the position they get.

SPEAKER_03

So it wasn't like it was in the movie?

SPEAKER_01

No, it's like it is in the movie.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, okay, okay. I did it it wasn't okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

That was surprising to me too. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I always wondered how they picked them. Because it's not like NASCAR where you race around and whoever has the fastest speed gets the pole position, you know what I mean?

Jeers, Final Rating, And Wrap

SPEAKER_03

Well, you still start off, well, yeah, I don't know much about that either. So I'm not even gonna say anything and make it so what about jeers?

SPEAKER_01

You have any jeers?

SPEAKER_03

The only, the only jeer, the only thing I thought of was so when Ash comes to work at Churchill Downs and his dad has put him in charge. He's a Nepo baby, so he's put in charge, right?

SPEAKER_01

Another reason he didn't want to do that.

SPEAKER_03

Even though he has experience, right? He's been in charge of his own company in Cincinnati. And um, you know, the guy there was one guy who was kind of like, you know who he is, right? And they're like, Yeah. And then they kind of question I it just that you just didn't need that part, I didn't think. Yeah, so you so you have the foreman who's kind of like, Oh, you're a big bad, you know, because you're the son of the you got the job because you yeah, yeah. I just and it wasn't it wasn't overdone, really. It really wasn't. I was glad it was minor. I just didn't think you, you know, you needed that particular part. It wasn't really important to the, you know, to the movie, but um, but other than that, that would be it. What about you? Any jeers?

SPEAKER_01

No, I didn't have any jeers, but I did notice we had two rubs in this one. So they fought twice.

SPEAKER_03

Who?

SPEAKER_01

Ash and Sadie. So when she first finds out that he is a reed, but he kept his maiden's game. Oh, you know what?

SPEAKER_02

You're right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

He kept his mother's maiden name, Taylor.

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

And then when they noticed the picture in the bar when they were dancing of his uncle and her great-grandmother, um, and he called her a gold digger.

SPEAKER_03

He called Gloria a gold digger, not Sadie. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01

And Sadie just was very upset and left. So two rubs on this one. Two rubs. I didn't even think about that.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

There you go. Yeah. All right. So out of five corks, how many are you going to give this one?

SPEAKER_03

Ten.

SPEAKER_01

Just for the case. How many roses? How many roses? Right.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_01

How many roses?

SPEAKER_03

Five. All day, every day. I would watch this again. I think this is Hallmark at its best. Um, and you know. Like I said, Hallmark sometimes, you know, for people who don't watch it a lot, there's kind of a connotation of the movies not being that great. But I am telling you, this movie could have been in a theater. That's the that's how well I think it was done.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Yeah. The cinematography, the music, the the story, the direction, the director, the shots, the actors, Andrew, the timelines, all of the traditions and history. Yes, I agree with you.

SPEAKER_03

And I'm gonna have to look up, you know, that Anna. What did I say? Her name was did I have her name? Help me.

SPEAKER_01

Uh let's see.

SPEAKER_03

Anna and Katherine Dern, the composer.

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

I'm gonna go look up more of her stuff.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I should have.

SPEAKER_03

And see if she's got some online. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Really, really good. Yeah. All right. So I'm gonna do five quarks or five roses. You're gonna do five roses too.

SPEAKER_03

Five roses and five quarks.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, there you go. All right. So is that a wrap?

SPEAKER_03

That's a wrap.

SPEAKER_01

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SPEAKER_00

Cheers.